Why manufacturing took a hit during the recession? Because it will again.

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  1. I justsayin

    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    I see some folks take stuff personal. It's just information sharing.
     
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    So long as Americans want to compete, then the manufacturing industry will return. But that means attracting investors, which Americans don't want to do. Too much hatred for the rich, and the socialists that complain about rich CEOs and owners aren't about to do something so radical as get together and pool their own money together.

    So no, there will be no return of the manufacturing industry. The democrats hate manufacturing far too much to allow that.
     
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    Absolute partisan nonsense. The Mitt Romney's of the world turned destroying american companies, chopping them up, and sending the jobs to china for near slave wages into an art form. It's the free market, they are going for low costs and high profts. Surely even right wingers understand that sometimes, capitalism screws people. Or they are so blinded with ignorance and partisanship that they don't.

    You should be ashamed of yourself for saying something like 'democrats hate manufacturing.' That's obtuse and I think you know it.
     
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    Belch Well-Known Member

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    It's common knowledge that democrats hate manufacturing. The democrat satan called global warming has them all shaking in their boots. Obama has done all he can to stop oil production on federal land, he threw the coal companies under the bus by requiring them to raise their prices after retrofitting coal powered energy plants, and of course the continual hatred for fracking from democrats. The XL pipelline, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

    What have the democrats recently done that could be considered good for manufacturing? More taxes? More legislation? Running around screaming like Chicken Little talking about global warming and how Obama has to save the world from warm weather by throwing another tax at people?
     
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    Ooo look, a climate change denier! I guess since you know more than scientists, we should ask your opinion on everything! Saying things like "this political party hates this segment of the economy" is all the brilliance I need to see that you certainly have all the answers. There couldn't be any democrats actually working in manufacturing, they would hate themselves!

    Your partisanship is disgusting and every thing that is wrong with this country.
     
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    What have the democrats done for manufacturing lately?
     
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    The boom and bust cycle is caused primarily by landowners who – during the boom – start demanding so much for land that producers can no longer afford to pay their demands. Labor can not produce wealth without access to land, so when land prices get too high producers have to stop producing. Henry George wrote about it in more detail in this chapter of Progress and Poverty: http://www.henrygeorge.org/pchp22.htm
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    Hmmmm.
     
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    NAFTA.

    All parties voted for it. Clinton was in office as if Presidents matter.

    The problem WAS SEEN and the Left Pushed for "Tax Breaks" for American jobs in 2010. Congress voted it down. ASK YOURSELF AND AMERICA WHY.

    I clearly projected congress as racists here, and you can CLEARLY ask them why they voted down a bill that reduced taxes to American jobs while ending tax breaks to outsourcing.

    You can go wherever you want from there. The factualization is complete and historical.
    It's almost like he wanted to swim in our pools.

    The push continued to be for OURSOURCING instead of INSOURCING. Why? Why Did the Right Wing Conservatives Vote Down American Industry Tax Breaks? Because blacky Obama..

    It's almost like he wanted to swim in our swimming pools/ use our bathrooms/ sit in a certain seat. How can racists think if blacks want freedom?
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    Wow. I'm not sure about this explanation lol.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    So it could have happened at any time but it seems like now is the time? And if folks didn't make their money during this time they will be out of luck. Down to the lower class.
     
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    Common knowledge = RW propaganda for our conservative friends, it appears.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    Interesting. It's just known that manufacting was not sustainable for higher priced areas. Nobody hates it like you said. Some folks will do anything to keep the obvious from happening.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    Jobs weren't just shipped overseas and they could come back. Nope! Most were replaced with robots and technology. So that boat has saled and whoever think they will wait for the manufacturing boom then they are wrong. It happened, left, and is over. The sooner folks realize this the better the can move on to the next thing.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    It is not sustainable. I wish folks would wake up. We are counting on things that are not reliable anymore.
     
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    Manufacturing can be done in the US just as much as it can in Bangladesh or China - it has to be done somewhere. The problem is, it's effectively an illegal industry due to the minimum wage.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    Ok. So what does that mean about the minimum wage? What does that mean for the future of the industry?
     
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    I suppose it means America's manufacturing industry isn't competitive with such absurd price controls in place. People simply aren't willing to pay for the welfare of entitled American workers.

    Since the minimum wage will never be repealed and will only rise up and up, I suppose that means the US manufacturing industry either has to move to robotics and fire its workers (which it is), or die out.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    Meaning it is over in the usa like i stated.
     
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    True enough, my point was that this is not necessarily so.
     
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    There's been a lot of motion towards 'zero-labor' models. Technologies like 3D-printing, bio-fabrication, and self-assembling geometries are allowing U.S. manufacturing to try to become competitive, even if U.S. labor isn't.




     
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    Manufacturing is seen as important by most because it apparently lifts the standard of living of all wealth classes. When workers are replaced by robotics this is no longer true. Sure, they'll require maintenance, but this is a much smaller job than the manufacturing itself.

    It's not so much the fault of US labor - their jobs have been made illegal - they couldn't work if they wanted to.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    It is so. If we want to survive or even be relevant in the near future we have to let the dream of a manufacturing comeback go and concentrate on other things.
     
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    You can do both - just repeal the minimum wage. It's not difficult.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    So the rich will be rich but not as rich. Their life doesn't really change, but the middle class will continue to shrink because it was groan on an industry that wasn't sustainable long term? Sound accurate?
     

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