Why Masks are Ineffective, Unnecessary, and Harmful

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  1. AFM

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    Where are the numbers? Certainly the data exists.
     
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    so if someone walks by me and sneezes wearing a mask while i'm wearing a mask...and then the same thing happens wile we both are NOT wearing masks..are you really trying to say the outcome is the same?
     
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    Everyone is wrong multiple times. Everyone.

    I've never heard him say that "he trusted the CCP." You may be thinking of Trump. Trump did, indeed, say that.

    . . . the symptoms are always what kill people.

    Meanwhile, masks do have a positive effect on slowing virus spread.
     
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    None of which undermines my comment. I mean, where does it say in either that the mask is protecting you? How many studies do you suppose it will take for you to admit that? It might be effective in protecting others, from you but it certainly doesn't protect you from them who might not be wearing a mask, or even while wearing one. Face it. Folks are wearing masks, and folks are still becoming infected, even while wearing them. You cannot explain that simple fact, but here you are determined to demonstrate the limit of your knowledge for the rest of us to comment on.
     
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    Jesus, people. LITERALLY NO ONE HAS SAID THAT WEARING A MASK MAKES YOU 100% IMMUNE TO INFECTION. No one. Ever. You guys are stuck on a fake straw man. Stop making **** up.
     
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    Large droplets of the size 100 microns and greater are attenuated in the mask of the person who has sneezed. As that person continues to walk aerosol particles with the virus continue to pass through the mask with each exhalation. Those aerosol particles then pass through the mask of any other person close by in each inhalation.
     
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    Fauci is an epidemiological expert - and his initial advice that the virus was not lethal and the US would have nothing to worry about as late as February 28. Those are huge mistakes.

    The Chinese Communist Party runs China. Any information coming out of China comes from the CCP. The WHO would not even say the name of Taiwan who offerred to help with information early on. The WHO completely ignored the Taiwanese. That's because the WHO is controlled by the CCP.
     
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    Wearing a mask offers no protection. That's the science based on the filtration of aerosols.
     
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    Try actually reading/listening to his interview from February 28th. Hint: you are either deliberately misrepresenting what he said or you are blindly following those who have.

    And where did Fauci claim to blindly believe the CCP . . . unlike Trump, who praised them for their "transparency"?
     
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    Science disagrees with you. You've been provided with research. Please read. The virus primarily spreads through droplets, which masks do, indeed, offer protection from.
     
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    Stop your own team then from asserting it. Stop Lesh. Stop Kode. Because they are the ones spreading the disinformation you want to scream at folks. I already know the masks aren't effective. I wear one in public because I have to. When Biden invokes Federal privilege and mandates wearing one while driving alone on an interstate highway, who is he protecting? It's just tyranny, and you know it. So tell your team to get with the facts. Finally.
     
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    Literally, you just screamed this:
    yardmeat said:
    Jesus, people. LITERALLY NO ONE HAS SAID THAT WEARING A MASK MAKES YOU 100% IMMUNE TO INFECTION. No one. Ever. You guys are stuck on a fake straw man. Stop making **** up.

    And out the other side of your mouth comes the above. Laughable.
     
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    It is only "laughable" to people who choose not to read. Condoms offer protection from pregnancy and STDs. Condoms do not make you 100% immune to STDs or to pregnancy. Surely you understand this. "Protection from" =/= "100% IMMUNE." A bike helmet offers you protection from head injury . . . it does not make you 100% immune. Steel toed boots protect you from toe trauma. They do not make you 100% immune.

    How many more examples do you require? Is this seriously a concept that any adult in the world doesn't understand.

    No one has asserted 100% immunity with masks. No one. Anywhere. Stop making **** up.
     
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    wow. You must be reading Fox Lies. Try reading what is posted.

    From my link:
    "According to data collected by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) at the University of Washington, there is no question about the practicality of wearing masks when it comes to saving lives.

    “That should be the big message that should go out to both the public and policy makers,” said Dr. Theo Vos, an IHME professor. In their recent study, Vos and his colleagues forecast that as many as 33,000 lives could be saved if 95 percent of the U.S. population wore masks in public.

    "Vos noted that even wearing non-medical grade masks or face coverings would have a profound effect in limiting COVID-19 transmission."
     
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    None of which actually quantifies the protective level. And there's a reason that they don't include the data, because it doesn't support the conclusions presented. Lots of data will undercut this post of yours. And frankly it's disinformation to spread this kind of lie. Just sayin
     
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    I have - he did. But with qualifiers. But what he did not do is sound an emergency alarm that the US was in grave danger from the corona virus.

    He trusted the information coming out of Red China which is controlled by the CCP.
     
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    doesn't that part right there still minimize the risk though?
     
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    All of these mask endorsements are opinions not backed up by actual scientific studies.
     
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    Back here on planet earth, what he actually said was that it wasn't CURRENTLY a big threat, but that we need to keep an eye out and that things could quickly change. The only person in the administration blindly trusting info from the CCP was Trump.
     
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    Why the emphasis on “normal breathing” ? You realize that people without symptoms cough and sneeze and yell and sing... right?
     
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    He’s trying... and failing to say that yes
     
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    Sure but if you have a dry cough (which is a symptom of a Covid infection - sneezing is not) you should go to the doctor and get tested as soon as possible. BTW, if a person sneezes it should be into their elbow.
     
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    Coronavirus is one of the causes of the common cold. COVID-19 is a novel coronavirus, sure, but still a coronavirus. As a contagion, how else would you expect a coronavirus to act?
     
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    Because normal breathing is what the overwhelming majority of people do 24/7.
     
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    When this drama first hit in and or around late March, I supplied ample studies from many reputable sources including the official guidance from the CDC and WHO (who I wouldn't trust for anything) but I included their data as well, because, well, they were the folks saying masks weren't effective in protecting folks who wore them from anything. Lots of data and studies out there support this position. None of the current "masks keep us safe" crowd dogma actually cites or otherwise indicates where their conclusions come from. Why? Because there really isn't credible data out there that suggests that position is accurate. So, when folks like Nancy or DiFi et all or Cuomo bros or pic your entitled democratic politician are out there maskless when the cameras are off, you'll know why.

    I heard an interesting comment today, about why Biden is so sheltered. RE: if he gets COVID, his campaign narrative entirely folds. So, he mustn't get it cause otherwise his cure would never be taken seriously by voters. Sounds about superficial enough to make democrats go with it, so I give that one credence.

    When cameras caught his campaign staff shepherding reporters away from him yesterday, I cannot believe his family continues to allow him to run. He's not well. His ability to withstand the job surpasses his desire to will himself to do it. It is so sad to watch the avrice of his family and their greed. Disgusting actually.
     
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