Why not wealth redistribution?

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  1. Finley99

    Finley99 New Member

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    Let's pin it down here. I was born in Sept. 1934 and my dad was born in 1910. His dad was killed on a RR side car accident in 1920...L&N RR. My grandmother was left with five children the youngest still in arms. I won't get into a tiz with you about being poor but did you serve in the military? Did you ever work rotating shift work? How much did you pay down on your first house? How many new cars have you owned? How many used cars have you owned? Do you play golf? Are you a bible thumper? Are you on Facebook? Oh.....that house looks pretty good to me. In 1936 we were living in a two room shack that had been used by a black family while they were sharecropping on a quarter section of west Tennessee farmland.

    I know one thing....people who have a hard on for the government never have been bailed out the way we were. That's a no brainer.
     
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    Wow, could you get any more personal in a public forum? If you guys want to cuddle, you should do it offline




     
  3. Marine1

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    My Dad was born in 1905, I was born in 1939 and today is my birthday. My grandmother was also left with 5 children which she couldn't raise, as she never worked. My Mother, aunts and uncles were split up between relatives and never saw much of each other until their teens. I don't know about the Great Depression. My Dad refused to talk about it, but you couldn't mention the name Hoover around him. Yes I served in the Military, my squadron shield is on every post. I never owned a new car until 1972. My first car was a 1941 Plymouth I traded my Roadmaster Luxury Liner bike for. I have had about 4 since then. No sir I never played golf. Yes, I am religious. I have Facebook but I don't get on it much. A lot of talking about nothing. My oldest Sister was born in Fall Branch Tenn. I was born in Ohio. If you lived in a two room shack, than you know like I do how hard times were back then and how much easier people have it today. Why I get upset of people talking of redistributing wealth. You make your own wealth, no matter how little that is.
     
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    You start, I'm sure you can find many people in the world poorer than you.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm sure both Finley and I were raised much poorer than he. Worrying about what the rich had was the least thing on my mind. I was to busy trying to figure out what I needed to do to support my family. But so many on the Left keep busy trying to figure out how they can take money away from people who earned it.
     
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    Exactly, they are thieves in political trappings. As Thomas Jefferson said, "To take from one, because it it thought his own industry, and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and still, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise if his industry and the fruits acquired by it."

    Everyone talks about the income inequality, what about the work inequality?
     
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    Lol, wtf? You had a fridge in your house, you weren't poor!
    And I don't care if it did take quarters to keep it running, that's nothing compared to what people in third-world countries have to try to live of off.
     
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    Hey, sorry about that last post, I was just kidding...sort of.
    There was a point in it though, and that is that poverty is relative;
    it's not some absolute state of being as some people think, and one need not be the poorest person on the planet to still be considered poor.

    Anyway,...what's your position on public workers and programs like the WPA?
    Do the people who work those jobs earn the money they get paid?

    -Meta
     
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    I think if we had the WPA today, a lot of people would get off welfare and find a job that pays a lot more than they could make on WPA. I mean if you can get by without working, why look? A little sample of what I mean.

    He wants Obama bucks

    https://search.yahoo.com/search;_yl...+want+my+obama+bucks&fr=sfp&fr2=sa-gp&iscqry=
     
  10. Meta777

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    We should start a coalition to reinstate the WPA or something similar.

    -Meta
     
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    Yeah....when 85 individuals have as much wealth as the poorest 3 1/2 billion souls on the planet that's a sure bet.

    We're headed for a lord/serf society and beginning with Reagan in the early 80's it's what is happening. When Nixon took us off the gold standard and did away with the draft he set up a perfect scenario for the warmongers and the military/industrial complex. Now the folks with the power can send the kids of others to die 10,000 miles from home for their oil interests. They don't have to worry about their kids even having their ivy league educations interrupted.
     
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    Earned it? 60%-80% of the wealth in this world was inherited. That entitles their offspring to the best of everything and puts the poor or average guy a step further down the ladder. It's beginning to come to a head. This scenario will not stand.
     
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    Some on the left believe in the social concept of equality before the law; unlike the right. Unemployment compensation that clears our poverty guidelines simply for being unemployed in any at-will employment State could improve the efficiency of our economy. In that manner, supply side economics could be supplying us with better governance at lower cost.
     
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    Yeah....see the chart below to see what happened to the middle class. Reagan slashed tax rates to depression levels, continued to borrow from foreign banks to cover the shortfall. He and Bush41 quadrupled the national debt and made wealthy people of a whole new flock. Trickle down didn't work unless you count the warm urine which trickled down the backs of average Joe.

    http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/business/3.jpg 3.jpg
     
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    What killed the Middle Class was NAFTA and Free Trade. Also what helped bring down wages was Carter starting deregulation of the airlines, trucking industry and railroads. That hurt the unions bad, although it helped bring down costs. When Reagan left office, there were almost 20 million new jobs created.
     
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    Do you agree with Marine and I that re-instituting the WPA or something similar could go a long way towards alleviating that issue?
     
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    Carter also came out with a law preventing Federal unions from striking and restricted their bargaining rights that also held down wages to all Federal workers. These things the Left will never tell you.

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    People want to blame Reagan for firing airline employees and banning the union, but it was Carter's legislation that put it in place. They also blame him for wages being held down and only the rich making out. But deregulation and the Civil Service Reform Act had much more to do with bringing down wages and hurting the unions. Both Federal and private unions were hurt with those two pieces of legislation. But the Left will never tell you the truth about that.
     
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    Back then my brother drove freight trucks. When deregulation came out, many of the union trucking companies went out of business when many private companies started up. My brother changed companies three times and all three companies went out of business. He finally got out of the trucking business and he got less in his next job. It wasn't Reagan that caused that.
     
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    Obama has tried to set up a program to rebuild the infra-structure. Guess who put a stop to it? I'll give you a hint.......the Republican house of representatives.
     
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    Why would they do such a thing? For what reason could house Republicans possibly have for opposing that?
    Why would they be against something which on its face seems so beneficial? Something which both gets people back to work and off of welfare,
    lessens the inequality that the libs are always babbling about, and produces new wealth/maintains or improves existing wealth all at the same time???

    -Meta
     
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    Obama wants to borrow billions more for infrastructure. But he was given billions before and spent it bringing his union teachers, police and firemen back from being laid off. If he had used that money for infrastructure, those roads and bridges would be fixed, thousands of people working and paying taxes and those taxes could have helped bring back teachers, fire and policemen. But once the money ran out, they were laid off anyway and still no infrastructure was done. You want to trust him again, like those shovel ready jobs he said he had that he lied about?
     
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    So you're saying Republicans oppose the infrastructure measures,
    because a lot of the money went to hiring teachers, policemen, and firefighters the last time?
    That's why house republicans are opposing infrastructure projects???

    -Meta
     
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    The left can prove what happened with facts and not what Fox News rattles on with 24/7.
     
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    You're right, but now how you think. Tax rate cuts always result in economic growth and more money flowing into the government through those very same taxes. The problem is the when government realizes an increase in revenues, they believe they can spend more than the revenue increases.
     
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