Why should people be forced to get the vaccine in order to protect others who choose not to get it?

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  1. HB Surfer

    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look at you all wanting to force the vaccine denying humans free choice. Making matters worse, you Leftist Authoritarians are trying to force those that have the antibodies to take it too. That's not Science. Pushing it on kids... is not Science.

    If the vaccine works, then why are those that had it scared? Why force it on anyone? This is beyond medicine and Science. This is purely about power and control and it's amazing that some of you don't see it and surrender so quickly.

    Let people take it if they want. Get Ivervectim distributed in mass. We are done here. Let freedom ring!
     
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    If viruses worked that way, where they get deadlier, we would all be extinct a long time ago. They get more contagious and less deadly.
     
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    And it's YOUR judgment call and perspective that ANY adverse effect bad enough to say that the vaccine is harmful and shouldn't be taken?
     
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    getting a ticket for not wearing it is the punishment, surprised I have to explain that to you
     
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    Most likely.
     
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    How do you explain Delta variant?...
     
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    I got no problem with spoiled Americans refusing the vaccine. But I do request that you kindly send your dose to somebody in another less fortunate country that wants the vaccine but can't get it.
     
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    So you don't mind that the government requires you to wear a seatbelt, so long as you don't get caught without wearing one?
     
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    I am not a doctor and don't practice medicine.

    For my own self, my immune system is strong because I nurture it. More, the virus is 99% survivable. Indeed the many dozens of people I know who had it failed to produce a single fatality.

    By comparison I'm now aware of 3 different deaths from the shot.

    More, if I become infected, I know that HCQ and Ivermectin are effective therapies.

    So no matter the VAERS reports that the government suppresses, why on earth should I have a dangerous toxin injected into my body?
     
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    did I say that?

    I think wearing a seat belt at times is a good idea, I do not like the government deciding for me, I am pro-choice.... are you?
     
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    Crappy border control.

    But it's deeper than that. Who in Wuhan knew that the COVID virus would create so many variants? Certainly the lab workers did, since they went to collect the samples from the bat caves before they genetically engineered it to attack humans.

    They documented dozens and dozens of variants from the bat droppings from a single cave. They knew what they were doing, then weaponized it to attack humans.

    Fauci funded it, and is now lying his ass off about it.
     
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    some say Trump knew, that is why he played it down and let it get out of control

    the economy was failing and he thought he could use it to inject billions into the corps and if that failed, blame the virus for the failing economy, win\win in Trump's eyes

    Trump praised China over their handling of the virus and now you say Trump picked someone that helped create it to be on his task force?

    the dots are all starting to connect, Trump is the anti-Christ, long live Q

    Conspiracies, that was fun :) your turn...
     
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    I am pro vaccination while simultaneously being completely supportive of the notion that everyone has a right to decide for themselves whether they want to get vaccinated. To each their own.

    With that being said, what is it that you think the Vaers data tells you in regards to people dying from the vaccine? It only reflects deaths that are reported amongst those that have received a vaccine. In truth, there are an awful lot of deaths in that cohort that are not reported. This information however, does not attribute a cause of death. 2.8 million people per year die in this country, which comes out to about 8 thousand deaths per day. When 150 million plus people take a vaccine, you are naturally going to expect that a great many of those people are going to die from causes that have not one thing to do with the vaccine, and if their loved ones report the death to VAERS, it will be recorded despite the fact that the death has not one thing to do with the vaccine. Similarly, with the 150 million plus people that have not gotten the vaccine, you are going to also expect a great many of those people to die as well. With 8k deaths per day in this country, there is unfortunately a lot of death to go around.

    What this means is that the 15k or so deaths that is being reported today in VAERS, means literally nothing in regards to determining deaths caused by Covid vaccines. Far more analysis is required before cause could even begin to be determined. I think that an awful lot of people are misinterpreting the implications of that data.
     
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    It could be auspicious, austerity, auctioneer, auditorium, augmentation, authority and hundreds of other other words. But in your case it represents Australia.
     
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    The government is not making you go on IT'S road! You choose to go on IT'S road!
     
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    How do you know that the shot killed them?

    Isn't VAERS public?
     
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    Can anyone here show me the data from CDC on breakthrough cases of the vaccinated since May.
     
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    the gov is not forcing you to go to work, you choose to go to work, so can they require you to vax if you make that choice too?
     
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    I'd be against it on the grounds of government interfering with private enterprise.
     
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    so forcing car makers to do safety things like add seatbelts you are against too?
     
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    The cars will go onto the government's road system. So there's nothing wrong with government requiring car makers to do certain things.
     
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    ok, then you support the government forcing seat belts on people, got it
     
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    It's not 'FORCE' though is it?
     
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    depends what you mean by force, if your rich and can afford the fines, I guess not

    how would you feel if we added a $300 fine for flying without being vaxed, would it be forced then?
     
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