We live in the country, but everything about the gun issue affects me. I desire to be left alone, pretty much, I don't need some chair polishing politician how I should live my life, what I need to pay for, and especially tell me what my Rights are. I know the difference between right and wrong. I affect no other's Rights, I do not infringe upon anyone, I "coerce" people because I own (not unless it is suspected by burglars I might be armed), they don't feel forced to rob me.
Funny you say that......... UK tops league of teenage pregnancy Britain still has the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in Western Europe despite being one of the world's biggest users of contraceptives. The figures, which emerged yesterday in a large- scale international study, appeared to explode claims by the sex education lobby that the UK's sky-high teenage birth rate is down to ignorance. It showed that four out of five females between the ages of 15 and 44 in Britain - 80 per cent -use some form of contraception. This compares to 76 per cent in the U.S., 75 per cent in France and 59 per cent in Japan. Britain, nevertheless, has a sky-high level of teenage pregnancies, with 2.9 out of every 100 girls aged between 15 and 19 giving birth every year. In France, where there is less contraceptive use, only 0.9 of every 100 girls aged 15 to 19 have babies, according to the survey. The level in Germany is 1.1 per hundred girls while in Japan it is only 0.4 per hundred. The findings suggest the huge growth in single parenthood in the UK in recent years - much of it a result of teenage pregnancy - has little to do with a lack of knowledge of sex and contraception among young people. Recent research projects have contradicted the long-standing claim of the sex education lobby that more information and better distribution of contraceptives is needed, pointing away from ignorance as the cause of pregnancy among young girls. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-28860/UK-tops-league-teenage-pregnancy.html#ixzz2xn7W2NNe Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
Wow Toefoot! Where did that come from? Are you saying that the Brits abhor guns because their girlfriend is pregnant? Now you guys who tell us that "anyone" can own a gun in whatever country are making me chuckle. You have to fill out reams of forms, many or most of which come with a substantial fee and have to be renewed periodically. You are restricted to type of action and caliber. You are restricted as to where and how the gun is to be kept, and on and on and on. No wonder teenage pregnancy is so high in the UK! That, and drinking, and watching soccer are all you are allowed to do!
Rights like being spied , shot by cops , stripped in airports, droned etc etc etc ? This thread is making my day , keep posts coming !
Yep it was appreciated, though the consistent use of it to hit us over the head is more than little boring some 60 years later. PSST .. All my guns are well looked after and used every single week, and when used in proven self-defence even us 'suppressed under the heel' Brits don't go to prison. - - - Updated - - - and as I said in my first post, it doesn't really bother me if Americans own guns or not .. what does bother me is when poster who have a hat full of ignorance tar all Brits/Europeans with the same brush.
now lets see, apart from being 100% off topic, you use a claim from the Daily Mail (or the Daily Fail as it is better known here) and even after this suspect report it still leaves the UK quite some way behind the US UK - 27.9 conceptions per 1,000 USA - 34.3 conceptions per 1,000 Now how about you get back on topic.
nope, never said "anyone" and in the end you have your 'rules' we have ours, I don't run you guys down so why do you insist on treating all of us as if we are all the same?
Like American cities and states, there are better and worse. Switzerland, overall, is a far superior country to the UK. Less crimes, more personal freedoms. What arms those in the UK and MOST Euro nations can own are obsolete from a military standpoint. Most private citizens are limited to single shot or bolt-action mechanisms, usually not in the common military calibers: 9mm, 7.62, 5.56 and so on. Of course most Euro shooters can't compete in modern shooting sports. Those that do shoot generally stand like a block of wood and shoot a few rounds at a time (if they can even do that). You might have better luck in your high crime areas by registering criminal gang members. Have them fill out paperwork at the police station before they sell narcotics, kidnap children for prostitution and sell protection.
As I said, doesn't really bother me if all americans own guns, what does is taring all other people with the same brush .. oh BTW trying to bait me into an off topic argument really won't work.
Actually, no. Fighting can produce peace. Being trounced in WWII caused the Japanese (and Germans) to almost become pacifists.
Great, you don't care about Americans and their guns, care to answer the op with an on topic comment just once? I think Europeans have been brain washed into hating guns without understanding why...as evidenced by several comments from others. Instead of trying to pick fight could you make a relevant comment about the OP please? Thanks
No need to as the OP is nothing more than assumption. It's more relevant to see the standard responses about Europeans in general when in all likelihood the people making the statements have never spent more than a few weeks on holiday here. and I'm not trying to pick a fight at all, would you sit by and let a group of Europeans tar all Americans as fat, lazy, gun loving, ignorant and arrogant?
Didn't you comment on someone not staying on topic.....why yes I believe so "now lets see, apart from being 100% off topic," so in the interest of staying on topic, why is the Op nothing more than an assumption? You don't get to decide the relevance, you get to decide to respond with some sort of factual information that is relevant about why Europeans abhor guns. So far all I've heard from you....is, fighting about peace post 18, post 20 which you could care 2 figs about Americans obsessions with guns and stereo typing with some insulting comments about lack of education and phallic like items to stroke. Post 21 where you argue about whether fighting can be for peace or not, post 24 where you make a snide comment regarding another snide comment about gun shops. Also post 31 which is completely off topic in regards to the OP....So I ask again, could you quit showing your obvious anti-gun bias and respond to the OP which asked "Just wondering why Europeans in general have such an abhorrence toward having the right to keep and bear arms? " without some snide remark. It's fairly easy to see from the comments of those from Europe and in particular England that your kind of snide commentary is quite common and could lead one to paint with a rather wide brush, what's not common is to see a reasoned response that could lead to reasoned discussion. Your comments do not lead to reasoned discussion.
nice rant. The fact that you seem to think you can read my mind as to know my actual position on guns is just pathetic, and if you actually read my comment (#20) and even better comprehend it you would, of course, seen the second paragraph which states "now I know that isn't true, so why do you think it is ok to paint using a very wide brush about ALL Europeans" and the fact that you have got a little heated over the first paragraph only serves to prove my point that YOU would not accept being stereotyped, so why do you think I should? The OP isn't worthy of a response, it is an assumption made with nothing to back it up. The assumption being that Europeans have an abhorrence toward having the right to keep and bear arms, lets see some evidence to back this assumption up. Furthermore the majority of comments on this, so called, topic are just a sustained attack on us Europeans as a whole - for example - #3 - #7 - #9 - #10 - #17 If you want a civilized debate then don't start out by demeaning others, and of course I get to decide the relevance especially when the OP is nothing more than an assumption without facts and the comments that follow are nothing more than a slinging fest .. I answered with the level of relevance deserved. you have your constitution that protects your right to bear arms, something I have never argued against .. but if you want a civilized debate on what other countries do or don't do as far as guns are concerned don't start that debate with an unfounded assumption and demeaning comments. I will assume you have heard of the saying "fight fire with fire".
OK gotcha...You are not interested in commenting on the subject matter....just attacking gun rights....I know now not to waste my time. Thanks
If you feel that I singled you out, that was not my intent. When I do mean to address one person, I mention them by name. Now as for anything else I might say to you in particular, Greataxe and Small Town Guy have done very well with that.
ya'll are attacking America, so don't start whining now. Your European counter-parts tend to paint by the 5 gallon bucket instead of a brush, so don't be complaining about our reaction to some one's else's opinion. If one is attacked, they deserve to use everything in their arsenal to defend. Are you trying to tell us we don't have the Right to defend? See? there's an attack here there. this is a result of years of y'all not being able to attack someone who can defend themselves ...bullies figures................ That, "we can attack, but you're not allowed to defend" mentality makes some think they are superior. Here's the reality of it. WE live in unstable society world wide. There are plenty who think they could kick our ass, but only if we unarmed. I noticed that one poster in here says, You guys need to get with the program since the rest of the "supposed" civilized world is disarmed. Why don't you guys get on board with us? well, your programs have succeeded in China, Cuba, N Korea. If your government doesn't fear the citizens, then it is the citizens that fear their respective governments. If you do not have a way to maintain your Rights, then you have nothing, and nothing to fight for.
Interesting considering I haven't actually attacked gun rights, but hey feel free to live in the illusion you create.
Actually you haven't just singled me out, you have just painted using a very wide brush, branding the majority of Europeans when you actually don't know what they think and feel. Greataxe and Small Town Guy have done nothing but reenforce the impression of Americans being full of arrogance, and as I said (which they have both ignored) I know is not correct. If you want a serious debate on the subject then provide some evidence for your assumption.
firstly point out where I have attacked you, or Americans in general, and those Europeans who generalize Americans are just as bad as the Americans who generalize Europeans. From the comments in this topic I haven't seen a single European attack ANY Americans, yet you go off half-cocked and pile in with the insults, your very first comment #3 in the thread was "it's been generations of serf conditioning" .. so please don't try to play the victim to me, it's a sad and false position for you to take. and yet again you make false accusations with nothing to back them up .. please post any comment of mine that attacks you where you have not attacked me (or my European fellows) first? You may believe YOUR society is unstable, others in the world do not feel the same about theirs, and why does everything have to come down to a pissing contest, it's like being back at school .. "my dad can beat your dad" Every thought that we simply don't want to, you know that thing you 'fight' for, the freedom to choose. My programs .. and what would they be? You have absolutely no idea what 'my programs' are.. you are just bloviating. What a load of rubbish .. this either/or mentality is just so boring. If you say so.
