Why Trump will lose.

To my eyes, it does. If route X where more people die, and Y will get you there, we go with Y.

If that doesn't prove the necessity, explain.

 

Well, looks like we are fourth from the bottom on the list. Not very impressive, and When you factor in America lags behind many countries when it comes to testing, those numbers are not reliable.

Get back to me when everyone is tested.or at least we have tested as many per capita as the other countries we are being compared to.

Otherwise, it's apples and oranges, right? .

 

If you complained about the debt under Obama, then I'll except some major complaints from you under Trump.

Right?

 

Lol...You're right. trump's abysmal failure to organize and provide adequate testing means we have a catastrophic situation and no real knowledge of where we stand.
Maybe instead of passing the buck, trump might have asked for help from Moon Jae-in and Jacinda Ardern.
We must all thank the little virus for showing us what a completely deplorable character trump is. Even his supporters are repulsed by his antics.
I hope that everyone remembers in November.

 

Somebody pass the BS repelllent.... quick!

 

And I have complained about the debt under Trump.

However. I was not joined by democrats for the debt under Obama. Next?

 

I agree with you that Sanders would be far more effective against Trump than a corrupt insider like Biden.
I doubt that Trump is afraid of any of the Democrats who have campaigned for the nomination.
There is nothing shy about Donald Trump. That is not one of his weaknesses.

 

Oh, I know a few dems who complained about Obama on a number of issues. Giving in to repubs, being the more salient one.

 

Now there's an adult reply.

 

I don't recall a single democrat complaining about the deficit under Obama.

 

The entire corrupt bipartisan establishment united to first deny Trump the nomination and then to infiltrate, wiretap, subvert his administration, limit his ability to act and remove him from office.

Trump was clearly not selected. He survives as a lone rogue elephant charging through the ranks of the political class pushing them up and down the corridors of power, but he cannot beat them without a Congress that wants real reform. That will never happen. The DP House is his aggressive enemy. The Senate is his passive aggressive enemy. Even the judges Trump nominates that the Senate confirms pillars of the establishment. Given the scope and intensity of the efforts to get rid of himn I am amazed that it failed.

 

They were not 'virtually the same'. That's a gross exaggeration, nor would any progressive sign the smoot hawley act, especially during a depression.
The reciprocal tariff act was not a tariff, it was signed to allow FDR to use the smoot-hawley Tariffs as bilateral bargaining chips, get other countries to lower theirs
in exchange we would lower ours. The objective was to get rid of them, get others to get rid of theirs, and allow more free trade. It is widely credited with ushering in the era of liberal trade policy that persisted through the 20th century -- wikipedia

The term was different then than it is today. So your statement cannot be commented on. If you are referring to only progressives of today, give me an example.

"Democrats are walking dead".

Rhetoric such as that is not an substantive argument. I don't mind emotion, if you can back it up, but a statement like that is over the top.

 

But, the debt, in my opinion, is more important, though deficits drive the debt, if there is substantial borrowing to finance it.

I recall articles in the NYtimes,
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/26/...s-test-as-deficit-stays-above-1-trillion.html


deficits are bipartisan. (https://www.thebalance.com/deficit-by-president-what-budget-deficits-hide-3306151)

During Obama, though, overall it's a 58% increase, from start to finish, it declined each fiscal year except the last 2 years he was in office..

President Barack Obama: Total = $6.781 trillion, a 58% increase.

• FY 2017 - $665 billion. Although Trump requested additional spending, Congress did not approve it.
• FY 2016 - $585 billion.
• FY 2015 - $442 billion.
• FY 2014 - $485 billion.
• FY 2013 - $680 billion.
• FY 2012 - $1.077 trillion.
• FY 2011 - $1.300 trillion.
• FY 2010 - $1.5 trillion. This is the sum of $1.294 trillion plus $253 billion from the Obama Stimulus Act that was attached to the FY 2009 budget

President George W. Bush: Total = $3.293 trillion, a 57% increase. Fluctuated from fiscal year to fiscal year.

• FY 2009 - $1.16 trillion. This amount is calculated from $1.413 trillion minus $253 billion from Obama's Stimulus Act.
• FY 2008 - $459 billion.
• FY 2007 - $161 billion.
• FY 2006 - $248 billion.
• FY 2005 - $318 billion.
• FY 2004 - $413 billion.
• FY 2003 - $378 billion.
• FY 2002 - $158 billion.

 

That is because under Obama the deficit was reduced just about every year. The deficit had become a surplus under Clinton. Bush then blew up the budget by cutting taxes and increasing spending. Obama was unable to reduce the deficit more because Congressional Republicans refused to raise taxes.

It is one of those things that I find so funny about Republican voters. Many have been led to believe that tax cuts pay for themselves, even though the national debt has been increasing dramatically ever since Reagan because of tax cuts.

 

Is there a point somewhere?

This has all been hashed and rehashed. I griped about the Obama deficits and the Trumps deficits. I did not hear any democrats complain about the Obama deficits.

 

I have traveled most of the country. Never under estimate the stupidity of Americans when they get to the polls. Trump might get re-elected, there are enough truly stupid people here to do it.

 

We could argue about this forever. I was accused of not griping about the Trump deficit while griping about the Obama deficit. That was simply not true. I have complained about both and did not hear a single democrat complain about the Obama deficits.

 

Some of us don't base our politics on personal impact.

 

And nominating Biden ranks among the stupidest.

 

I was sick and tired of Trump's obnoxious, uncouth, his distasteful persona, personality ever since he first announced his candidacy for the Republican Nomination. I didn't vote for him in 2016 and won't in 2020.

But I don't think the right track/wrong track means anything. Obama averaged far lower right track and far higher wrong track numbers than Trump has. Yet, he won reelection. At one time Obama was down to just 17% of Americans who thought the country was headed in the right direction. But jumped up to 38% when he won reelection in Nov 2012. Obama's numbers then and Trump's now were pretty close.

Nevertheless, I do agree that a majority of Americans are tied of Trump's childish antics. With his throwing of temper tantrums and his name calling like a spoiled brat of four years old who's parent's forgot to teach him any manners.

 

The "right track/wrong track" thing can be influenced by factors utterly unrelated to who is the president.

A high profile airliner crash can get millions of Americans saying "wrong track" while a feel good rescue of a child can do the opposite.

 

Or as the saying goes, no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people. Or more precisely "No one in this world, so far as I know ... has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people."

 

If they wanted him gone he would be gone. Keep in mind there are different factions within the Establishment - and they often disagree on some things.

As stated previously - you have to look at where they agree to find the Devil.

If the Rothschild - Rockefeller consortia wanted Trump out - he would be out.

 

If you paid attention to the Democratic presidential primary debates, you'd know that a topic that came up time and again was the idea of raising taxes (that had been cut under Trump and Bush) in order to pay down the debt. Or at least to greatly reduce the deficit.

Clinton achieved a budget surplus by both raising taxes and reducing the cost of government. Obama reduced the cost of government but could not get tax increases past the Republîcan roadblock in the Senate. With the Republican tax cuts of late 2017, Trump has been giving us trillion dollar deficits because tax cuts do not pay for themselves.

If instead of tax cuts, the government had just taken out trillion dollars loans and distributed the money among the wealthiest people, the net effect would be the same. That trillion dollars debt didn't go to improve the infrastructure, improve our schools, make our health care system better, or strengthen our military. Rather it went to make wealthy people wealthier.

That is why conservatives are called conservatives. They conspire to conserve wealth and the power it wields. We can't have billionaires being taxed to pay for the lunches of poor children, as that is just too commie.

 

When I complained about it here, the democrats said it was no problem.

The democrats need to get their story straight. They gripe that some of the richer blue states pay more taxes than poorer red states. Then at the same time they gripe that the rich should pay more taxes. I don't think democrats know what they want. Basically they want people who make more money to pay at a higher tax rate just as long as they aren't the ones doing it.