When you really look at the big picture, the corruption of the vote and the corrupt politicians we vote in, has become a sespool of detriment to the nation for ALL of us, ALL races. this guy is the bane of all Presidents in that he was never for America in the first place, at least all the reat picked a side. this clown picked another nation, Great Brittain aka the EU. so ask yourself, come Novemeber, whether it's Obama, Romney or Paul, will it matter, when the unseen hands have more power and the position of president is reduced to puppet?
Do you mean the idea that all history repeats? It does. But yeah I've seen plenty of changes since I've been alive.
What changes have you seen? please expound. and please don't talk about civil rights and all that jazz. I'm talking about REAL change.
Well, I've grown a good couple of feet since I came out of the womb. But others, Obamacare, the uprisings in the Middle East. Do you want more?
What exactly is REAL change? I ask because the civil rights movement brought about some pretty important and sweeping REAL changes to this country in my opinion, at least from the perspective of how governments can get away with treating people or turning a blind eye to how they are treated by others. No, we're not perfect yet, and yes, bad things still can and do happen. This is irrelevant, as we'll never achieve perfection because there are simply too many variables to get in line in order for that to happen. We can only slowly work towards becoming progressively better.
Welfare is nothing new. Unrest is nothing new. The creation of welfare programs by the US and the reaction to unrest in politically sensitive areas by the US hasn't changed.
The government is becoming progressively more totalitarian. That might look "better" to a progressive, but it's hardly change. It's the nature of power. Real change would be giving up the use of power to subjugate one's neighbors and force one's economic and social morals upon them.
And one can also make the same argument about a relativly stable democracy in the US. And how did we get that?
If that's what you call real change, I don't want it. This idea that we can succeed in this modern world just by letting everyone do their own thing, with no structure and limited rules, is silly. It doesn't work, it's never worked, not in the modern world we live in. A hundred years ago when the world was bigger, yes that may have worked then. The world has changed, and it's never going back absent some type of world changing event.
the Civil Rights movement wasn't change it was just a pacifer because the people that were suppressed and fighting for "rights" are still in capitivity. So therefore nothing has changed. REAL change would be to one day see ALL of American troops backn on American soil FOR GODD. REAL change is growing our economy so EVERYBODY Can enjoy it not just those that use the corporate loopholes to evade taxes.
As ever these days, I'm glad to see awareness of and backlash against the present political duopoly. People are getting more and more ready to vote "outside the box," or so I can hope. Whether it's Nader, Paul or someone else whose name I can't remember or who I haven't even heard of (thanks Big Media), we're bound to see alternatives make some headway in the not too distant future.
The idea that only government can create structure and rules is silly. Hell, it's downright foolish and dangerous not to mention illogical and unsupportable. As for this "we" thing, speak for yourself. Perhaps you cannot see yourself succeeding without a government to give you rules and structure. It doesn't work, it's never worked, not in the modern world we live in. A hundred years ago when the world was bigger, yes that may have worked then. The world has changed, and it's never going back absent some type of world changing event.[/QUOTE]
What's worse is subjective to each person. Me, I like the idea that people are getting rid of oppresive governments and trying to install a democracy.
No, but your not-vote will. The less power the system has, the less control they have, and slows down/takes away the change of reaching absolute power or politcal historical repeats. You can already see Russia changing into the wrong direction after last elections were Putin reached over fifty percent of the votes on his party. Hitler had over seventy percent of the votes. What level of power (number of votes) is critical? (sixtysix percent?, they also try to make electoral alliances/pacts to reach more power) Voting means that you submit to a politician you see as your leader (unconsiously, it is human nature, grouping/organizing to feel safe in a group, people feel protected if they are part of a political party/group, but it should be the opposite, they should see the danger with the knowledge of German history), the German people gave Hitler that absolute amount of power, all people euforic and 'relieved' till the end (that why they keep the happyness on television (the psyop), letting you think nothing is going on, while the economical and political situations are going downwards week after week) The German people couldn't see what would happen next, couldn't see the military build-up, couldn't see anything until they started with the mass organisation of the ant-armies, at that point more and more people started to see what was going on, but it was already too late.
I ask myself that question every 4 years or so. There really is no sense in voting, but I do it anyway just to cancel out a Republican vote.
This isn't a go-it-alone world. Your country has to be organized and somewhat orderly. How do you accomplish this without laws? We're not alone in the world, people aren't going to just leave us alone, militarily, economically, culturally, ANY -ly! I'm not trying to argue that every law that's made is necessary. They aren't. But how do you truly compete like that in a world where a lot of the countries with the least restrictive laws are also the ones that never do very well. I don't want to be a slave to a government(and don't feel like one now, though I'm sure a few of you would tell me I should) but I don't have any illusions that a lack of government is going to make things better for me, and for everyone. I am not a solitary pea in this porridge of a country, and what the other peas do affects me too. I have a life-sized interest in how the society that I am a part of is collectively doing, and I don't see it doing well at all without rules. The absence of rules only works in small groups, and we are not a country of small groups any longer.
But do you really think that's what your vote is doing? So many people are comfortable thinking their vote counts, when we've seen already in Bush2 and recent campaigns that voter fraud is a mainstay in America that will only get worse.
I would like to see both electric and manual tallies, and they should match 100% ever sense Kerry got negative votes and we saw how easy it was to hack these voting machines, I think a system that tallies by hand and electronic is the only sure way to eliminate fraud
Yes - the US has gone from being a hopeful democracy to being a nasty, spiteful plutocracy, where the mugs vote to be worse off as long as others are even worse off. It is because the mugs vote as their masters tell 'em and the relatively sensible don't bother.
Oh I know that voting doesn't mean dick. They let us vote every four years so we can tell ourselves that we have "liberties". Even then, our votes get filtered by the electoral college. And if you live in a big state, you're vote for Senator counts about 1/10,000 of a vote in So. Carolina (for example) if, as you say, it gets counted at all. Still, if there's a Republican vote loose in my state that might see the light of day, I want to make sure I've cancelled it out.
