Why was Ben Carson not smart enough to understand what vetting is?

For a supposedly "brilliant" surgeon, It's amazing what Carson is not smart enough about.

What's even more amazing is that he was/is considered a serious contender for the GOP nomination.

 

You have no other sources and we both know it. Russia Today has a well deserved reputation for making claims like this up out of whole cloth. We all know that too.

But the far right wing types here cling to it because Russian propoganda fees their Obama derangement syndrome.

And I documented the fact that the claim is false.'

Your claim that "you guys never look up info you don't want to look up" is false in my case.

Only, unlike you, I use reliable and documented sources. I've discredited too many of your posts and your unreliable and often false claims and sources for to you to be able to say otherwise.

 

Except for that link to google with all those sources.

 

I think you don't care about those things as much as you think you do. Because it's doubtful that you've held Bernie or Hillary or whoever you're voting for to the same standard of scrutiny. You're just desperately reaching for something (anything) to attack Carson with. Because he's black and you can't use the race card against him.

 

Crude race hate is a hallmark of the Left.

The progressive movement has always been virulently racist.

 

A really smart person might question the assumption that they are smarter than Ben Carson.

 

What's amazing is that this thread has stayed alive as long as it has. It's been long established the "vetting" has been nothing more than shameless leftist attacks with little merit. Some legitimate vetting would actually be refreshing.

What's more amazing to conservatives is that Hillary is a serious contender for the Democratic nomination. Without the last name of "Clinton", she wouldn't have been able to get her name on the ballot. At any level, her lack of real accomplishment, her dishonestly, and her total absence of character should have long disqualified her for consideration. I don't blame Hillary for trying. But it's scary that we have such a large Democratic voting block that's puts so little value on honesty, integrity, and accomplishment.

 

One of the few women to ever hold a Senate Seat?

Former Sec of State?

I think you're mistaken there pal.

 

Wow. Playing the gender card right off the bat. Women crashed the party of being a US Senator years ago. We have two currently serving from California for 20+ years each. Sorry. Being a woman in Congress is not an 'accomplishment'. Regardless, Hillary had a undistinguished Senate record at best. There was nothing resembling leadership that she could claim during her time in office. For qualifications for POTUS, fail #1.

Secretary of State is even harder to find an accomplishment worth noting. Last year, when Hillary was asked directly, this was her direct answer:

"“My accomplishments as Secretary of State? Well, I'm glad you asked! My proudest accomplishment in which I take the most pride, mostly because of the opposition it faced early on, you know… the remnants of prior situations and mindsets that were too narrowly focused in a manner whereby they may have overlooked the bigger picture and we didn’t do that and I’m proud of that. Very proud. I would say that’s a major accomplishment.”

Really?? The one person who should be able to articulate her accomplishments in detail came up with this?? Fail #2.

This "Pal" isn't mistaken. She has no business being considered for POTUS.

 

The fact that Carson is fading fast is confirmed by the fact that this is the only tread on him anymore. His press coverage is drying up ,and I'll bet the take the direct mail scammers that are running his campaign has dropped substantially as well. aa

He's past his sell date.

 

As I stated before, I never believed he had a chance. Not because of the leftist smear campaign, but because he doesn't compete well in an incredibly deep Republican field.

The elimination process continues.

 

What smear campaign?

Carson said the things he said, and did the things he did.

No smears were necessary. Just facts.

And, if you think this is a "deep" field of viable Presidential candidates on the GOP side, I've got a kindergarden class I'd like you to meet!

 

I'm not going to dredge up all the smears that transpired. But Politico jumped the gun with a gross mischaracterization of Carson's comments and had to retract their original reporting. To save face, they didn't admit an official retraction, but it was a retraction all the same.

Hillary doesn't have to qualifications to make even the second tier of the Republican field. No leadership experience at any level, the total absence of character and integrity, and a weak (at best) resume as a US Senator and Secretary of State wouldn't earn her a podium at the "kindergarden" under card Republican presidential debates.

So yes, the Republican field is deep. Contrast that to Democratic debates that are so shallow that they're held on non-view Saturday night time slots, and you should get the picture. At least you should. But I'm not sure it sinks in.

 

Actually, Politico didn't have to retract a thing. What they said was true.

 

Politico rewrote the headline, lede, and several portions of the text of their original article accusing Ben Carson of “fabricating” part of his personal biography involving West Point. Revisions are a de facto retraction. The fact that Politico didn't have the integrity to call it a retraction just speaks to their slippery slope fall into tabloid journalism.

Why do you have to need to dispute reality? You don't have to like Carson, but feeding into journalistic witch hunts doesn't enhance credibility.

 

None the less, the core facts of the article remain the same. Ben Carson did repeatedly claim that he was offered a full scholarship to West Point, which was never true.

There is no such thing as a scholarship to West Point. Official records indicate that William Westmoreland was nowhere near Detroit when Carson says he recieved this offer.

Nor are there any recollections from people who knew Carson at the time of the incident (a pattern in Carson's autobiography).

Carson also claims to have been present at an armed robbery that no one can verify actually took place, even though the site in question is literally within sight of Baltimore City Police Headquarters.

Not that any of this matters.

Carson routinely demonstrates the most basic ignorance of government, geography, history and world affairs. He could not pass a US citizen's test without a lot of coaching.

I have believed that he would eventually fade, as he is totally unqualified in any sense of the word, and that his actions and the way he ran his campaign would make that clear.

As it is, with 7 out of every 10 dollars donated to the Carson campaign going into the pockets of direct mail scammers and shadowy consultants, and not into any campaign, Carson would have to either change his fundraising strategy, or substantially up the amount of money he raised in order to sustain a real campaign organization.

He showed no signs of doing that, and the Carson campaign is little more than a fundraising scam. I have no idea whether the good doctor was a party to it or not. He seems to be very naive about politics in general, and certainly is out of his league dealing with operators like Bruce Eberle.

Read more here:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/01/draft-ben-carson-vernon-robinson

This is not the stuff of a sustainable, or genuine presidential campaign. But it does put a lot of money in the pockets that most people never heard of, and it helps raise Ben Carson's brand, so he can sell books and perhaps get on Fox.

You can go on and on all day about a headline in Politico, but Carson was not running a sustainable campaign, a fact that would catch up with him sooner or later.

 

"None the less" is at least an acknowledgment that Politico played games with their original reporting, regardless of what you want to believe about the rest of their articles. The bottom line is that Politico went for the brass ring to smear Carson, and they were found to have lied. That's a journalistic snafu that leaves an unremovable stain.

On a few of your points, West Point equates "Scholarship" and "Admission" in their own literature. That horse left the barn long ago. And I'm not interested in what recollections that journalists (and I use that term loosely) could not validate. The absence of witnesses from 50 years ago does not necessarily make Carson's claims false, as much as those on the left would like to believe so.

But to your point, this stuff really doesn't matter.

I agree about the ignorance Carson regularly displays. That why I've stated several times that I do not believe Carson will get the Republican nomination. As much as it makes you uncomfortable to hear it, the Republican field is too deep, and there are too many superior candidates from which to choose.

Now, if the left had just focused on his current lack of qualifications instead of sifting through the garbage for "gotchas", we'd largely be in agreement on Carson. I still find it fascinating how the left went after Carson the way a pit bull attacks a bone. The attacks were never in proportion to his significance.

 

Superior candidates?

A couple of first term Senators.

Two governors ( they are the most qualified, but GOP voters don't like them)

A retired doctor.

A CEO that got fired and then lost a Senate campaign she financed herself.

I can't remember the rest.

Oh, and a bent and very arrogant real estate developer.

 

Yep, 3 Republican candidates with track records of being successful Governors. Meaning demonstrated leadership and accomplishment.

And yes, a CEO who got fired. They almost all do, with less average time on the job than Carly had, so what's the point? I don't think you appreciate the qualifications, accomplishments, and demonstrated leadership skills one has to possess to ascend to the top of a Fortune 500 company.

And an arrogant developer? Again, say what you want about Trump, but he has demonstrated interpersonal and business skills that have made him incredibly successful.

Hillary has demonstrated none of the attributes described above. None. She was a lightweight as a Senator, and a failure as Secretary of State. So yes, it's fair to say superior candidates on the Republican side. Actually, more than fair.

 

I think Bernie Sanders and Hilary Clinton need to be scrutinized more and I don't plan on voting for either of them, so you are completely wrong with everything you said in this comment. Way to ass u me.

 

I'll go along with you on the governors.

Most CEO's don't get fired, contrary to your claim.

And Trump's big success is mostly smoke and mirrors. In the league of commercial real estate, he's a big name because of his act, not his assets. There are many, many developers out there with far larger net worths and portfolios than Trump's relatively small holdings. And people have looked at Trump's record and found that had he simply kept his father's holding and ran them, he'd be worth more now than he is.

Trump doesn't own most of the buildings that have his name on them. He just rents his name.

 

The reason Carson didn't think twice about being vetted is 1. He's black and no one would have the nerve to vet him, lest they be called "racist"; and 2. He is mentally ill (in my opinion) and does not truly understand what is going on. I've been trying to put words to my feelings about Carson's cavalier attitude towards the brain surgery he performed on children that left many without half their brains, and many more disabled. I like to call him Dr. Mengele, but "inhuman monster with no soul" works. In one conversation he had with the parents of one of the children that he performed hemispherectomy on, he said, "My goal is to not kill you child." What wonderful 'beside manner', and probably what we could expect from him as president." My goal is to not totally destroy this country. I'm just want to leave it brain dead."

It is weird that more of Carson's patients haven't come forward to give him applause. You would think if he performed more than 400 surgeries/year, for 30 years, that he would have a lot of success stories, and lots of parents who would want the world to know what a great doctor he is, and how qualified he is to be president. After all, these patients are his only resume--of sorts. But only two patients have come forward. One singing his praises, and the other lambasting him. Interesting.

 

Obama was vetted and the only racist allegations were with regards to the Tea Party birthers.

 

Really, Obama as vetted (to the point that far righted simply made (*)(*)(*)(*) up, like when they claimed he told supporters that they would have to "kill crackers" if they wanted government aid) and is black, so why would Ben Carson not be vetted?

 

The second reason I gave for why Carson didn't think he would be vetted was that I think he is mentally ill. That is kind of evident in his insistence that yes, he did stab someone with a knife.