Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret

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  1. DonGlock26

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    Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret,

    [video=youtube;t_Qpy0mXg8Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y#![/video]

    You can skip to 2:45 for an interesting history of Islam's early attacks on the Christian world in Syria, Turkey, and Egypt. (If you just skip to 12:00, you can watch a map of the waves of attacks and invasions.) Then, they went on to invade Europe BEFORE the Crusades. Most people have no idea that this happened. They think the Middle East was always Muslim. Well, it wasn't. Most people have no idea that the Muslims enslaved Europeans on the high seas and in raids on the British Isles. Let's face, most Westerners are largely ignorant of their own history. Is it by design? Perhaps, progressives see people ignorant of their history as less proud and nationalistic? Perhaps, even malleable?
     
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    GraspingforPeace Well-Known Member

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    You mean civilizations during the Middle Ages spread by the sword? Man, what a shocker.
     
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    but it's only bad when Muslims do it. Didn't you know that? (Sarcasm)
     
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    Yes, because they have advanced so far up the chain of civilization.
     
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    The Muslim world at the time of the caliphates was far more advanced than the Christian world. The Muslim world at the time wasn't filled with radicalism like it is today and Islamic scholars made huge strides in medicine, mathematics, chemistry, and basically all science based fields.
     
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    Byzantine Empire lasted from 330 to 1453 AD.

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    Well they have really slipped then.
     
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    The Classical world was prior to the Middle Ages. That's the whole point. Most people haven't a clue what went on. Try watching the video.
     
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    WTF are you posting maps about and what does this have to do with anything?
     
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    That's because they captured lands already civilized by the Hellenistic Greeks ( the empires of the successors of Alexander the Great- after Classical Greece) and then the Romans. They eventually captured the capital of the Eastern Roman empire and all of Greece too.
     
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    That's deceptive. Much of the late period of the Byzantine empire saw a much reduced empire that only controlled a small area around the capital. The rest was taken by Muslims.
     
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    The extreme violence and intolerance of Islam makes even the worst Christain rulers look like non-denomination new-age hippies by comparison.
    So we have to ask ourselves: why was Islam so much worse? Was it just Arab "culture", or could it be something in the Koran?
     
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    After the Arab conquest of Persia (637), the Caliphate recognized the Church of the East as a millet, or separate religious community, and granted it legal protection. Nestorian scholars played a prominent role in the formation of Arab culture, and patriarchs occasionally gained influence with rulers.

    For more than three centuries the church prospered under the Caliphate, but it became worldly and lost leadership in the cultural sphere. By the end of the 10th century there were 15 metropolitan provinces in the Caliphate and 5 abroad, including India and China. Nestorians also spread to Egypt, where Monophysite Christianity acknowledged only one nature in Christ. In China a Nestorian community flourished from the 7th to the 10th century.

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/409819/Nestorian

    He sure plays fast and loose with history.
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Middle_Ages

    "The Early Middle Ages was the period of European history lasting from the 5th century to the 10th century."

    Islam was born in 610. So. Yeah. You have no idea what you're talking about.
     
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    The Wahabi movement.
     
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    Yes, they were working off of already founded knowledge, what is your point? That usually is how knowledge advances.
     
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    Note the dates

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    Considering that they had a whole 1000 Medieval years (622-1622 AD), while Christian thinkers were buried by the Catholic Church dark ages, one would think the Muslim advantage would/should have been much greater.
     
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    That's Western Europe. He's talking about the surviving Classical world in North Africa and the Middle East.
     
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    Ok, that's tiny because of Muslim aggression.
     
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    A cash crop.
     
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    They invaded civilized and educated areas. What did they do with the knowledge? Ultimately, they let it stagnate. If you had actually watched the video, you would know about the library burning, invasion and mass slaughter in India, and the Armenian genocide.
     
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    Orthodox Islam.
     
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    Time periods don't change depending on what zone you're in. The dates are the dates for the entirety of the world. Classical antiquity ended and the Early Middle Ages replaced it. The Wikipedia article I posted specifically mentioned the Rise of Islam in the Middle East and Northern Africa, so I have no idea what you're trying to nitpick. You're just wrong.
     
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    The library burning? How about the House of Wisdom?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Wisdom

    The second most famous intellectual powerhouse of a library in the ancient world beat out only by the Library of Alexandria. And I am not going to watch a 60 minute video about some guy who has a PhD in Math and Physics pretend to know anything more than anybody else about the history of Islamic conquest. And you're just flat out wrong, again, about knowledge stagnating during the time of the Caliphate. There was a huge expansion of knowledge, again, in basically every scientific field made by the Islamic scholars of the time. And how do bloody slaughters have anything to do with knowledge? Christians engaged in the exact same tactics at the time.
     

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