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Why we'll never bake your fake wedding cake PT. II

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by Bow To The Robots, May 29, 2015.

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Huh? You keep saying that. I'm certain you have no idea what a strawman fallacy is.
    Religion is still irrelevant. So what facts did I misconstrue?



    And they still have nothing to do with religion.
     
    Polydectes, May 31, 2015
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  2. rahl

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    Then you have no issue baking the cake for same sex couples. Good.
    If you are in the business of baking cakes, you can't use religion as an excuse to discriminate. Sorry.
     
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  3. PatriotNews

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    Okay well I'm still lost as to what you think so I think we should end it at that. You don't seem to agree completely with either side but are questioning motives of one side or both. You think religion is irrelevant, I think motive is.
     
    PatriotNews, May 31, 2015
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  4. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Who is they? You again, did not answer my question but deflected and ignored.
    Have you been forced? If yes, how?

    You're back to being emotional, again. You already said a wedding isn't a sin. And most wedding has drinking going on, a sin. Even straight weddings.
     
    dairyair, May 31, 2015
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  5. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    If baking a cake is a sin, then they shouldn't be in the cake making business.

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    The baker is left alone if they don't break the law. If they break the law they must pay the price of breaking the law.

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    LOL. A belief is not against the law.
     
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  6. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Is the gang a legal gang? Do they do legal acts?
     
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    So what? Has nothing to do with the laws we make. Not even remotely concerned with what your faux religion has to say about anything.
     
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  8. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Why are you lost? Did I not speak English or something?
    Why should I agree with a side? Are either if them right?
    To this topic religion is irrelevant. This is about private verses public accommodation and where we draw the line.

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    All religion is an opinion. If course it isn't relevant
     
    Polydectes, May 31, 2015
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  9. PatriotNews

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    Maybe you should review the story because you seem to be forgetting the issue:

    http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/j-matt-barber/why-we-ll-never-bake-your-fake-wedding-cake

    Read the story in the link.
     
    PatriotNews, May 31, 2015
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  10. PatriotNews

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    If a belief is not against the law then why must they "pay the price of breaking the law"?
     
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  11. PatriotNews

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    So then why should I care what you think then?
     
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  12. dairyair

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    No one has ever paid the price for a belief. Why are you so emotional all the time.

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    What should I be looking for in the story?
     
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  13. PatriotNews

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    Yes they have. It is in the article I just posted a link to.

    I'm not emotional.

    It's in the article.
     
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    no. never.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No idea what the individuals involved do. We cannot call them guilty by association can we. Would you or wouldn't you? It is a straight-forward question, why evade answering it?
     
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    If they aren't law enforcement and a rep of the law and they kill, then I'd say it is illegal and I don't need to do anything but call the cops and report them.
     
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    I know the issue. The baker thinks his religious beliefs allow him to discriminate. He was wrong.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So only law enforcement has a right to have a cake baked for them, and for everybody else it is discretionary? Or is it just gay cops?
     
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    Religious beliefs are not an affirmative defense for violating the law. You can seek a legal exception (for example, Native Americans have a law designed just for them that allows them to use peyote in certain circumstances despite the fact it's federally banned), but that is not a religious defense to a criminal charge, it's an actual law that provides an exception. In areas where homosexuals have protected status (which isn't the entire country, but I expect it will be soon) you cannot discriminate based on your religious beliefs. It's that simple. You may not like it, but tough (*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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  20. PatriotNews

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    The issue is that he is being persecuted for his religious beliefs.
     
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  21. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    That's propaganda. The issue has nothing to do with his religious beliefs. If he was an atheist and refused service it would be the same thing. Funny how you ignored this the first time I said it.
     
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  22. PatriotNews

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    Did I ignore it? If I did, I didn't mean to. I respectfully disagree with your contention that the issue has nothing to do with his religious beliefs:

     
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    They can't write laws that infringe upon First Amendment rights to freedom of religion.
     
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  24. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Well you would be wrong. Somebody with no religious affiliation would still face this. So no religion has nothing to do with it.
     
    Polydectes, Jun 1, 2015
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    Nope. He's being sanctioned for breaking the law. Baking a cake violates no religious beliefs.

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    And back to what religious belief is violated by baking a cake and selling it?
     
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