Why would Christians want LGBTQ people removed from an anti lynching bill?

"“actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability.” Are “ perceived religion, national origin, gender, or disability.” referring to separate species?

""The old saying is once that camel gets the nose in the tent, you can't stop them from coming the rest of the way in," he explains." Yea, you musn't let them in, must you?

 

Likely not, and more likely that they are similar to the Baptist sect who have always been loyal democrats. Like white nationalists, democrats have lots of skeletons in their closet. These seem to be yet another example.

 

Why would Christians want LGBTQ people removed from an anti lynching bill?
Lynching is already illegal. It is murder. Why would we need another law?

 

This is a common misunderstanding/misrepresentation about this kind of thing. The simple fact is that this bill (as with others like it) does protect everyone. It doesn’t say anything about protecting homosexuals, just as it doesn’t say anything about protecting Blacks (at least not in the actual law element). It refers to the standard language of “based on actual or perceived sexual orientation, race, religion” etc. Action against someone because they’re straight or white would fall under this law in exactly the same way.

I do agree with others that it’s an entirely unnecessary law which appears to have been brought for political and symbolic reasons (however positive) rather than practical ones. It doesn’t really apply to lynching as commonly understood and doesn’t cover any act that wouldn’t already be illegal. I don’t think they needed to add to the statute to make the points raised in the preamble of the bill.

 

Lynching already IS a felony. Why not just propose for the entire bill to be withdrawn because its redundant? Why instead work ONLY to remove LGBTQ people from its protections? That answer simply doesnt hold water for me, Im sorry.

 

Look you can't have it both ways. Either the law covers all lynching, or only the groups mentioned. But then wouldn't it be discriminatory towards those not mentioned, I mean how do I know I wouldn't be lynched for being old or stupid?

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Don't even think about it!



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You are one of my favorite posters with high intelligence, wisdom and global knowledge.

 

I can't recall anybody being beaten up by so called Christian fascists - since it would an oxymoron. You can't be a Christian and a fascist. Maybe you're thinking of Red Necks. The only fascists that I know of that use violent means to inhibited free speech are liberals. Berkeley comes to mind.

 

Oh gosh, Mom had a woman friend, a next door neighbor, who worked for CAL in some kind of administrative job. She would flop all over her grave if she saw how CAL changed. Believe it or not, once it was a school with an open mind. Today the Left passes out hammers to harm speakers.

 

No, Jeanette you are completely wrong. There were most certainly Christians who were Fascists in Germany. They gave their sermons with the cross on one side and the swastika on the other. Your belief that all Christians are the same is nonsense. There are some very decent progressive Christians in the US, no doubt about it. Hedges is one and they do not support what they see as defamation of Christianity by the American Christian Right. Christianity in the US has gone through a momentous change since Carter was President and most of the rest of American's Christians have some degree of lack of compassion towards their fellow beings. The majority of Christians in the United States believe in a literal reading of the bible. The Christian Zionists are even worse. They believe in a bible which was only invented about a hundred years ago. They only believe in reading Revelations and any other text which supports violence. They are after Armageddon in the Middle East which is why the United States has supported massive inhumanity by Israel against the Palestinians. They have absolutely no intention of being just or of going by International Law. They do not care how many Palestinian women and Children the Israelis murder. The more the merrier as long as it makes it nearer the time that 'Jews' will have all the land they believe their bible says they should have.

Time for you to learn a little about Christianity. This is like Muslims trying to pretend there are no extremist Muslims. Now, American Christians may go to destroy States, mass murder people and create total mayhem through a Military belonging to a State but extremists on the other side who saw them, recognised them for what they were and called them out on it saying 'Christian Crusaders'.

US Christians with your neo cons have without question been the people working towards having the death penalty implemented in Africa and there are Christians in the US who want people stoned for adultery and they are in Government. They even believe a time will come when there will be no need of courts, just summary executions The have worked against progressive Christians working in Africa, hoping to help them get a decent education, decent health protection, understand about human rights and helped them to develop strength against Imperialism....these cunning Christian Right along with their neo con friends instead told the leaders in those countries whose hands they were greasing with dollars, that Progressive Christians themselves were the Imperialists trying to destroy their country by getting them to accept gay people. Gay people who they said were really demons come to destroy them. The Christian Right hate genuine Christian, Christians who like to bare witness. Hedges is right. They will be the first ones they come for.

Pence may need to put his desire to hang or stone all gays in a way that Trump can present it as a joke now, but if Trump is impeached and Pence becomes President, new laws will appear. Trump has set the ground, much easier to complete now. Trumps inner circle is full of them and they even have a private army if need be, Academi.

Unbelievable that people who claim to be Christians do not know what they are supporting.

 

This is stupid. If someone is lynched its a Federal crime but if they are burned alive, shot, stabbed, sprayed with acid, suffocated, run over with a vehicle, thrown into a wood chipper, drowned, poisoned, explodified, crushed etc. then its just a normal murder?

 

The Church has promoted horrible injury/ death on Gays. In Russia and surrounding regions Eastern Orthodox priests chased/ beat Gays during marches for equal rights. Similar incidents have occurred worldwide as a result of anti-gay hatred by Christians. Here in California both Catholics and Mormons were responsible for fear-mongering in order to scare Christians into opposing same-sex marriage several years ago.

I am encouraged that some Christian denominations such as Lutheran and Episcopal not only perform gay marriages but also allow their clergy to be openly gay. The local Lutheran bishop in LA synod is gay. As I Catholic, I am grateful for these Christians since both Lutheran and Anglicans are essentially Catholic in doctrine/ worship but centuries ahead of the Roman church on issues of anthropology.

 

What the hell. Since you live in Scotland, explain them to us and do try to not speak of Americans.

 

Yep, nothing excites a homosexual man more than the other man being naked and his junk hanging out.

I am a Mormon. Funny I do not recall my church fear mongering. Democrats hate republicans far more than Mormons fought hard for the marriage rights of ordinary people.

I do not recall LDS rallying against the Civil union that was created in CA to accommodate the homosexuals. If homosexuals do not like being run down, please stop running my church down.

Let us all sit down to read the stand by the church.

https://www.lds.org/topics/same-sex-attraction?lang=eng

 

I bet good money that this guy is one of those self hating gays and we will see him on the news tapping toes with someone in a restroom.

 

The Catholic archdiocese of LA secretly funneled $ via the Knights of Columbus to the Mormon church during the Prop 8 campaign. The cardinal admitted it. The Mormon temple [a beautiful structure in West LA] was picketed each Sunday. The state released the names of all businesses whose owners donated to overturning gay marriage. Some restaurants were boycotted.

 

Yes, I believe homosexuals hate either their mother or their father. Interesting you know what self hating homosexuals do in the restroom. My homosexual brother, before he died, never did say what he did in bathrooms. But the joy of a male sperm/urine member kept him excited.

A psychiatrist once told my parents he believes my dead brother did hate Mother.

One sign he hated her was he told one of her lady friends, long distance from NY City to the West Coast she was dead. Made the poor woman weep. She truly enjoyed Mom as I did. But not my homosexual brother. Nobody should call others to inform them a parent died when the parent still is living.

 

Should this be true, I imagine the Catholics did donate in a way to it could not be traced to them.

Our view is male to female Marriage is promoting the family, the children and so forth. Our promotion of Prop 8 was just that. We promoted male to female marriages. CA and Me voted for homosexuals to have civil unions. Since homosexuals sought tax benefits, that took care of that
part. Certainly bigots picket our fine Temple.

But did you see any Mormons on picket lines to stop Proposition 8?. I would need proof if that is the claim made.

 

As far as reality has it, LGBQs, ALREADY VOTE!

 

I was referring to a politician a few years back who was a rabid anti-gay type and then got caught in the restroom playing footsie and trying to go to pound town. Also the case of Mathew Shephard ended up turning out to be one gay guy killing another.

 

Though I’m not sure of the Evangelical’s psychological motivation against the bill, their legal argument is sound: granting special status to any group violates the principle of Individual Rights. This bill does this by using unnecessary considerations to establish the gay community as a special class entitled to special treatment. That’s morally wrong: no group can have more rights than individual rights of its members.

Ayn Rand: “A group, as such, has no rights. A man can neither acquire new rights by joining a group nor lose the rights which he does possess. The principle of individual rights is the only moral base of all groups or associations.

Any group that does not recognize this principle is not an association, but a gang or a mob . . . .

The notion of “collective rights” (the notion that rights belong to groups, not to individuals) means that “rights” belong to some men, but not to others—that some men have the “right” to dispose of others in any manner they please—and that the criterion of such privileged position consists of numerical superiority.” http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/collective_rights.html

 

Almost daily I warn this forum that the way Democrats operate is to create law, stacked upon law and promoted by more law. It is a spiral. Back at one point Democrats were not nearly as interested in all their new laws. FDR drummed that idea out of their heads and they suddenly became the huge creator of laws. Republicans only get called the law and justice party due to our holding to the founding constitution. We are not endorsing Democrats trying to ruin the constitution with all the Democrats laws.

 

I was being sarcastic!

 

Democrats utterly despise Ayn Rand and all of her teaching via her books plus statements she made to correct her record.