Will China be the #1 superpower soon?

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Will China become the #1 world power?

  1. No. China is not even close to being #1.

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  2. Yes. China could become the #1 world power.

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  3. I don't care who the world power is.

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  1. ricmortis

    ricmortis Well-Known Member

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    That is your elementary school teacher.
     
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    gorfias Well-Known Member

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    I thought it a day care provider.
    Our best chance isn't good. Due to the Chinese single child policy, Chinese parents are in theory far too protective of their only child to support a regime that would take them into war and possibly get that precious child killed in a war. But if the Covid lock downs have shown us anything, it is that the ability of a totalitarian government to gas light and control a population is truly horrifying.
     
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    ricmortis Well-Known Member

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    People are sheep and the vast majority will do whatever the government asks them to do.
     
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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    It has the power. I just suggested that it is an inappropriate role for federal government. The laws you mention relate to protecting government, not managing businesses. Why do you think profits are more enormous than they were 20 years ago?
     
  5. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tariffs = taxation.

    It does nothing but drive up the cost of raw materials.

    Sure, but many countries have zero-tariff agreements with each other.
     
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    No taxation. Price increases.

    As I said it motivates domestic production.

    Immaterial.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Its a tax. Tax = A compulsory contribution to state revenue. Adding tariffs is just another way to have government meddle in free marker economy.

    It increases prices on domestic AND imported goods and by doing that it causes inflation.

    Not at all. Zero-tariff agreements keeps prices low.
     
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    I didn't have an elementary school teacher with the name ric anything.
     
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    Maybe it's not so easy.

    Although, this article is from Faux news and they as usual offer no links to credit their story, here it is anyway.

    ...
    According to videos circulating online, hundreds of protesters from students to grandmothers are shouting, "Give me liberty or give me death!" The very words of American patriots are not uttered by people merely concerned with virus prevention lockdown measures but by rebels seeking to break free of the oppression that imprisons them as surely as any welded gates.
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/protests-china-covid-lockdowns

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    Here's another story from NBC, stating something similar.

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    Some protests that began with demands to be freed from Covid restrictions intensified into calls for more rights and freedoms in general and even for Xi to step down. In the capital, Beijing, students at Tsinghua, one of China’s most prestigious universities and Xi’s alma mater, shouted: “We want democratic rule of law. We want freedom of speech.”
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-protests-lockdowns-xi-jinping-covid-zero-rcna58909
     
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    Ironically, neither did I!
     
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    Your definition of tax is simplistic and incomplete. I agree that tariffs are a way for government to meddle in the free market economy. But their purpose is to raise revenue and engage in protectionism. They can also motivate outsourced production to become domestic production.

    It causes prices on imported goods to rise. Inflation is caused by government expanding the money supply.

    Yes but they are created, not for economic reasons but for political ones.
     
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    Its a tax no matter how you spin it.

    Tariffs are created to extract money from people, and to increase price for consumers. I don't care how they try to justify it.

    Zero-tariff agreements are created for the opposite reason, - to reduce operating cost for manufacturers and to lower price for consumer

    It causes prices to rise across the board, and it creates inflation. Money supply is one cause for inflation, but not the only one.
     
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    could not believe in when Biden said this ;)

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  14. fmw

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    if so then expanding the money supply is a tax as well. Actually neither one is a tax.

    Lol so you think federal government is just mean. I think it is incompetent but not mean.

    I would view this position as naive. Governments don't give up revenue unless they gain something else.
     
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    I don't know if US corporations profits are more enormous than they were 20 years ago - I know that purpose of corporation is profit for share owners and not well being of citizens or a country. If it is good for corporation - it is good for share owners only. Outsourcing American industry to China was good for corporation share owners, but it was bad for American workers and American security.
    BTW - not only US corporations made China strong, it is possible that US government is partially responsible for developing China's nuclear and missile program:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qian_Xuesen
     
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    Taxation is what it is. Call it mean if you must.

    Tariffs/taxes ARE revenue for the guvt. As for zero-tariff agreements, of course the government gets something in return: increased economic output, which again means more revenue for them.
     
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    Remember the saying:

    China is tomorrows superpower.
    And always will be.
     
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    But you do now.
    ricmortis
     
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    That sounds like a right wing explanation. Hard to believe from you. If governments got increased revenue from eliminating tariffs, there would be no tariffs. Think about it. Engage your common sense.
     
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    Business profits are the source of all wealth. They are good for citizens, even those who are not share holders.

    Tell that to people who wanted lower prices rather than domestic production. The purpose of outsourcing was to reduce production costs in order to give consumers what they wanted. Competition is the driving force behind capitalism.

    I would say thefts of government information by China had a bunch to do with it.
     
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    Its not RW or LW, it is what it is. Might as well face realities. I have always been pro-free markets. We had a zero-tariff agreement on the table with EU (pending signatures), but the village idiot (Trump) tossed it out the window and engaged in trade wars instead. We also had one with major partners in Asia (excluding China), but he tossed that out the window as well. Stupid? Yes, incredibly stupid. He THOUGHT it would narrow the trade deficit, but it did the opposite while driving up consumer prices in US, which contributed to inflation.
     
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    What agreement are you talking about that Trump threw out? I can't find anything in a search, only this:

    Trump announces an agreement with European Union on some tariffs
     
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    Sorry you couldn't find it. Better luck next time.
     
  24. Canell

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    The U.S. - 330 mln people
    PRChina - 1500 mln people

    What's the big deal? Why the Ego measuring?
     
  25. ricmortis

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    China can be the largest financial power and the super power of all super powers on the planet. There is nothing that would make me want to live under that type of regime, ever.
     

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