Will the GOP Soon Begin to Reject Trumpery?

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  1. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

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    Biden is a moron.
     
  2. Sandy Shanks

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    Maybe we will get lucky and the GOP will regain its sanity and nominate an experienced and capable candidate.

    We can always hope.
     
  3. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

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    You might like your professional politicians, but I think the GOP has had enough of those.
     
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    We've repeatedly dealt with them.
    Yes. He has the inherent power and he has the Granted Power from Congress. If Congress doesn't like how he exercises his granted power, then they can pass a joint resolution expressing that. As for his inherent power, Congress has no power over that.

    Yes. Congress as a practices plies the President with so much slush funding that Obama was able to destroy and depose the government of Libya without any funding authorization from Congress. You may not like that, i may not like that, but that is the state of play and has been for a very long time.
    Only a 3/4ths majority of the State legislatures have the power to nullify the Second Amendment, Congress doesn't have the power to grant her that, and Trump doesn't have the power to set that precedent for her.

    Yes. We think they are winning issues.

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    Dope Ocasio-Cortez Compares US Border Security Wall to Berlin Wall Where Germans Were Shot Dead Trying to Escape Prison State, World Wonders How She Can Be This Stupid.
     
  5. dairyair

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    Can't fight the 2 party same headed coin system.
    They will pull together to do what is best for maintaining the ability to get reelected with relative ease.
    The problem with the tea party and the tRUMP is they tried to go it alone.
    It takes working across the aisle to get things you want. You won't get exactly what you want, but you have to work together.

    As for the border, I've said this for years and years, the 2 parties don't do anything to fix immigration because the country needs those workers.
    But the fringes or bases, won't let neither party work towards a bipartisan solution.
    It's my way or the highway politics.
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Want less professional politicians?
    How about campaign finance reform?
    How about term limits?
    2 things most R's never will want in place.
     
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  7. The Don

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    The thing is that it wins their election.

    A GOP senator in a deeply red state or a GOP congressperson in an effectively gerrymandered district currently has absolutely nothing to fear from the Democratic Party candidate, and everything to fear from their possible primary opponent. Right now, if they were to turn against President Trump, all their primary opponent has to do is to be vigorously pro-Trump and they'll get the nod from the 90% of the party faithful who still support the President.

    Until and unless President Trump's support starts to fall significantly in the GOP, GOP representatives have to continue to support the President or risk being primaried.

    They came nowhere near to losing the Senate, and indeed increased their majority. For sure there were significant reverses in the House, but if anything that means that remaining GOP Senators and Congresspeople are in super-safe GOP seats and are impervious to the Democratic Party.

    Not at all. Almost all recent presidents have polled lower than President Trump's current approval numbers. Indeed it's the resilience of those numbers, in the face of reality, which are a remarkable feature of his Presidency.

    Unless there is a recession before 2020, it's likely that President Trump will be reelected. A solid 40% support may be enough to get elected in a two horse race, especially if a significant proportion of the 60% don't turn out to vote or vote for a third party and of course the electoral college may have a significant hand also.

    Not really. For sure the wall debacle has been a disconcerting sideshow but the GOP has been quietly working in the background to lower taxes for corporations and the super-wealthy, de-fund and dismantle the ACA, remove environmental and workers' protections, keep the NRA happy, make sure that the religious right exert significant leverage and all the other things that the GOP and their key donors want to happen.

    I wouldn't be too shocked to find that, after all the legal challenges and whatnot, the SCOTUS finds a way to allow the President to have his wall without creating a broader precedent. The fact that the manufactured crisis has a foreign origin may the be thing that gives them the required wriggle-room.

    OTOH if you're a GOP Senator or Congressperson:
    • Your major donors are happy because they're getting what they want, lower taxes and less regulation
    • Not supporting President Trump will likely end up with you being primaried
    • The President is providing an entertaining sideshow which allows you to carry on with your "business"
     
  8. Natty Bumpo

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    I believe that conservatives do think, and realize that Trumpery is antithetical to fiscal restraint, just as Trump's sexual degeneracy is abhorrent to the bible-thumping evangelicals who still grovel abjectly before him.

    Whether either are true to their espoused values is quite another matter.
     
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  9. Professor Peabody

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    When did I hear this before?
     
  10. JakeStarkey

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    Your continued looking to the past is why you have kept stumbling since.

    Want an example? Look at what you are doing now ~ fighting this war with the tactics of the last war.
     
  11. Denizen

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    The GOP is stained and infested by Trumpery. GOP lawmakers have turned into weak-kneed brown-nosers.
     
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