Will war fast-track the energy transition?

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  1. Durandal

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    That is all just alt-right claptrap.
     
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    Or it could trigger a resurgence of coal since "clean energy" isn't yet ready for prime time.
     
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    That's all just liberal claptrap.
     
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    It took 20 years for cars to replace horses. Today's energy transition will take longer.
     
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    I think battery technology needs to improve for EVs. Who wants these batteries that so easily catch fire? It's bad enough having those in phones and other little gadgets. Seems like every accident causes these cars to burn up.
     
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    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...kQFnoECC4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1Tc4YYcNt2EDVFdktvFscS

    New research analysing car fires in the United States has found that electric cars are dramatically less likely to catch fire than other vehicles, while hybrid vehicles are surprisingly much more likely, even compared to ICE vehicles.
     
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    This seems to be focused on the problem spontaneous fires. Certainly that is an issue as well, but I was commenting on their catching fire after an accident, which is obviously a hazard for anyone caught in the vehicle. It's a matter of simple physics that the batteries they use tend to catch fire when their contents are exposed to air.
     
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    Did you hear about the huge supertanker filled with thousands of European built electric cars that's abandoned, on fire, and adrift off the coast of Portugal? BILLIONS of dollars!... all because of a car battery fire that started in the hold.
     
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    Which is why we need to make sure our energy needs are met and we become totally energy independent with fossil fuels as we slowly transfer over. The left want to get rid of fossil fuels while we still need them not only for energy, but to be energy independent.
     
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    Absolutey!
     
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    Dont think they have confirmed the cause but have stated that the lithium batteries have kept the fire going. Most of the cars aren't EVs
     
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    All of our surface warships and submarines are nuclear powered and a target during war.
     
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    How ca nuclear power be made safer ??
     
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    I believe that is why the government escalated covid and now Ukraine. It's necessary to save the world from climate change. It will never happen unless they take advantage of crisis'. Not saying they started it, just that they sprayed fertilizer and shined light through a slot to direct its growth.
     
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    Dream on.
     
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    Perhaps you should tell the investigators that you have solved the mystery of the cause of the initial fire? After all, cargo ships never caught fire before electric cars
     
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    "Energy independence" is total nonsense.

    Oil price is set on the world market. If those who drill oil in the US can get a better price for it in some other country, that is who they will sell it to. And, we DO export oil as well as gasoline and other fuel products, even if we also import those same commodities.

    For an increase in oil volume in the US to lower the price of oil on the world market, it would have to be a HUGE increase, because the world market oil volume is gigantic, and the economics of supply and demand don't make it possible for a small increase in production to change prices.

    This recent spike in gas prices is due to the Russian war and the effects it has on the commodities market - both real (like less oil) and perceived (like fear there there may be shortages in the future). World wide commodities markets, such as that for oil and derived products, are not controlled by the USA AT ALL.

    You should consider this before making charges against "lefties".
     
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    I don't think you really understand what energy independence is. It doesn't really have much to do with price, although that can be a factor. It has more to do with if we can supply all of our own energy needs without having to depend on other countries, some of whom we can have difficult relations with from time to time such as now with Russia. How about Europe? Wasn't it a mistake for them to be energy dependent from Russia? That has now come back to bite them in the ass.

    Take China, for instance. Switching the topic from energy to pharmaceuticals, do we really want to have to depend on China for many of our medications? Or, do we want to be pharmaceutically independent? Seems like a really, really bad idea to me to have to depend on China to get our medications.

    Do we really want to be dependent on other countries for rare Earth elements, computer chips, and other technologies, or, do we want to be independent there as well? When we give countries leverage over us they find times to use it.

    Trump had it right. We need to think America first and make ourselves totally independent. Biden and the left made such a big deal about alienating Saudi Arabia because of the Kashoggi killing and now Biden is going there on his hands and knees to beg forgiveness in order to buy oil there instead of Russia. If we were energy independent we wouldn't have to do that.
     
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    The only oil problem we now face is that the world price of oil spiked because of the Russian war. That would happen even if we produce as much as we use.

    Germany is in a different situation. I don't see any way that we could end up in that situation wrt oil.
    There isn't a world market in pharmaceuticals. These aren't bought and sold through commodities markets that people invest in.

    It might be better if there WERE such a market, but I somewhat doubt it.
    Again, I don't believe this is a similar situation, economically speaking.
    No matter how much oil we pump, those who pump the oil will sell to the highest bidder around the world. If we pump as much as we use, it doesn't mean we won't be exporting it. And, we'll be importing it, too.

    One way to reduce our oil imports is to use other fuels. More than 2/3 of our oil consumption is for transportation. Even before this war, electric transportation was cheaper for individual citizens than is gas. If EV works for you, it does pay off. Pretty much every car maker is moving to ev's right now. Cheaper fuel. Faster acceleration. Totally clean in the garage. Lower maintenance. Home charging rather than gas stations. Quiet. Approaching 500 miles on full charge.

    For a large range of usage patterns (but not all) electric is better, right now.

    I know nothing about this "hands and knees" thing. Please cite.
     
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    As I said, I don't think you realize what being independent truly means. Your ideology is clouding up a very simple concept.
     
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    OK, you spent a whole post saying you don't agree.

    If you have an issue, please state what it is.
     
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    This isn't complicated. I'm sorry if it is over your head. I'm just saying that we shouldn't depend on the likes of Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, etc for anything important to us. If we are going to import something than let it be jelly beans, which we can live without if we have to.
     
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    I don't see you understanding the fact that there is a world wide market in oil. Plus, today the majority of our oil imports come from Canada. The idea that we're suddenly not going to be able to purchase oil because everyone is an enemy doesn't really make sense.

    As for Saudi Arabia, let's remember that they are not enemies. They support many of our objectives in the ME. They allow us to have massive military bases there. If you want to break up our relationship with Saudi Arabia you have a LOT more than oil to be concerned about.
     
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    You can't escape your own ideology. It pulls you down like gravity where you can't escape from your own misconceptions. This has NOTHING to do with the world market. This has to do with the US being able to support ourselves without having to rely on critical goods and services from tyrant countries such as Russia, China, and others. We can produce all the oil we need on our own and should. It is the left who have made us rely on oil from our enemies. How totally stupid. Biden has brought us full circle to being back in the Jimmy Carter years.
     
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