Windmills!

Someone in the grid can either use your power or sell you power.

 

I'm not waging war on white Dems, I'm just feeding them more rope.

 

Further evidence of your stupid war on white Dems duly noted for the record.

 

Are you keeping a record ?

 

That happens automatically in this forum.

 

Do you know the difference between a wind operated pump and a wind operated electrical generator? Do you know anything about phase changes and the inefficiencies they entail?

 

Because the flow is never constant. And none of them are in the electric utility business.

 

Particularly as improving battery technology is making large scale battery farms practical.

As the Hornsdale project in Australia has proven, renewable will be far more profitable than a fixed coal plant. With battery farms, they can store the wind energy and sell it to the grid when peak power demand pushes up the spot wholesale price. Thus, the wind farm operators are being paid far more than the base load coal plant is.

 

If you read the link, the Canadians are working at solving problems, rather than immediately giving up at the first difficulty.

Consider digital cameras.... they started out being horrible, but were incrementally improved. I guess kodak checked them out and decided they could never compete with film

As far as windmills and many other so called renewables... they are inherently intermittent, and so the energy storage problem still needs to be addressed... and i think it will be. Fwiw, my grand parents homesteaded in north dakota. They set up a windmill with a lead acid battery more than 100 years ago. Knowing my family who still lives there, I am pretty sure the folks in north dakota would not be setting up windmills if they are a disaster. I am also pretty sure they are figuring how to make windmills work better.

It does not sound like you are the sort of person who would homestead in North Dakota,

 

And? They sell their power now. And if they are already at capacity and some other city which is majority solar and wind and their ain't no sun and wind that day then they can't supply them.

 

They already have built in excess capacity for the difference between day and night usage.
That's the reason they are looking for a storage solution.
Is someone telling you renewables are going to replace all gas?

 

Most likely a wind power system would be on the ocean. Energy can be stored and transported more easily than it could be in previous years. So, a system of oil-rig like platforms topped with windmills could easily do the job. The ocean is also much windier than the land, allowing far more kinetic energy to be collected than land based systems would.

 

That would still be an eye sore.

How many tens of thousands of these platforms would you need to meet the energy requirements?

What is the oceanic environmental impact of all of these platforms?

 

Any excuse they can think up to be opposed to progress is what you're going to get.

 

Why do you keep repeating this idiotic twaddle?????????

Wind power can be (and is being) stored for resale when the demand is highest, independent of when the wind blows.

You don't seem to be able to get that through your head, no matter how many people tell you.

Maybe we should bribe Sham Hammity to tell you all about it.

 

I doubt that you ever expressed any opposition to offshore oil rigs.

The "environmental impact) of a windmill at sea can't be any worse that that of an oil rig.

And a windmill farm won't destroy the coatal beaches and wetlands if one falls down.

 

Look, companies are always looking to develop solutions to problems. It has no boundaries based on borders. My point is, the Canadians are fighting exactly the same problems with respect to cold that we here in the US are experiencing. As for the No Dakota farmers caring about windmills, they get paid for the land use. They are happy millionaires because many of them are sitting or huge amounts of oil reserves. Would I trade living in NO Dakota for Canada? Not in a million years even though they have some good whiskey.

 

It may at some point.

By the end of the next decade, I doubt that there will be any remaining coal plants in operation. And the only reason any of the nuclear plants will remain is because they still have licenses and the bondholders haven't been paid off.

As I have pointed out several times in this thread, the industry all over the world is already beginning to invest in large scale battery farms, instead of new gas plants and other backup plants to supply peak power.

The business model for this approach has already proven itself with the Hornsdale project in South Austrailia, which will pay back its construction cost in three years.

Try doing that with any coal or nuclear power plant!

 

When the oil dries up, the horse head pumps sit and rust and generate no income.

When that happens, the windmills will still be spinning!

 

Maybe if we heat up the climate enough.... the weather in ND will never be so cold as to cause their windmills to freeze up.

 

It needs an invention or 2 to resolve the storage problem. But even with todays technology, as you have pointed out, peak demand - the most expensive energy is possible.

 

So the farmers get lease payments and presumably are happy
People selling turbines are happy
Construction workers are happy
Maintenance people are happy
Companies who pay lease payments would not do so unless they were happy
And presumably there is a greater supply of electricity, which lowers electricity prices, which makes consumers happy

It seems like the only one who is unhappy in this whole deal .... is you.... and of course all the people getting cancer from the windmills according to donald trump

Fortunately, i think it is likely true that canada is also unenthusiastic about you coming there.

Btw, if you are planning a move, i think you will not be entitled to any oil lease revenue simply by moving to ND.

 

Between lithium ion batteries with solid state electrolyte (which are already being shipped), and the research being conducted into graphene superconductors I have little doubt that the storage problem is well on its way to being solved. The prices of wind and solar generation are also falling fast.

 

Only when they are not spinning

 

I doubt there is enough lithium on the planet to give each windmill it's own storage battery. People with these grand plans are talking about the US switching over to all electric cars and windmill energy storage, all of it utilizing the lithium battery.

Well, once the US is done plundering the world's supply of lithium, becoming the scourge of the world in the process, then what? Lithium batteries are not recyclable, they only last a few years and are then tossed into the local landfill