Wonder what the socialist democrats are really up to? Hang on... it's scary.

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  1. Quantum Nerd

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    Agreed. However, it is often the student's own doing. I see campus tours when there is visitation weekend and the students decide which university to attend. What do they look for? Not research labs or lecture halls, no, they look for state of the art dorms and athletic facilities. And if universities don't have them, they can't attract the best students. it's part of supply and demand, if you don't supply what students want, you'll be left behind.

    And, yes, I teach intro chem and upper level physical chemistry, as well as independent study (research) in my lab. I have helped many kids go to graduate and medical school, some of them to the best ones nationally, as well as grad students get jobs in academia and the private sector. So, maybe you can understand that I react a little bit allergic if someone comes with the broad brush and declares all college professors moochers off taxpayer's money.
     
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    webrockk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    poverty is unsolvable. give 100 people a million dollars apiece, 90+ will be dead fcking broke within five years.
     
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    only the right wing has nothing but excuses.

    The left has solutions.

    we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and Industrial Automation to help with social costs.
     
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    I'd argue those probably aren't the best students though.

    Sure, I get it. No offense intended.

    I reserve that purely for the people profiting off useless degrees and government funded debt to people who can't afford the loans, forcing the tax payer to pick up the bills.
     
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    Some truth here, but there are additional factors. One is capacity to produce enough product or service to overcome the increased cost of labor. In some cases it just won't work. (an old contractor's joke, since we are losing money per job, we'll just make it up on volume :D) Raising labor costs beyond it's utility can do several things. 1) drive one out of business 2) cut jobs requiring staff to do more work with less people 3) fire almost everyone and automate the entire process . We already see the latter happening in many cases.
     
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    I've given you solid facts that you can't refute and you are the one making excuses. :roflol: The left has zero but "feelz".
     
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    you have no facts, right winger, just fake news.

    even the dollar menu won't double.
     
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    I already answered this one time but will type v e r y slowly this time for you. The dollar menu won't go up in price but the product delivered will shrink in half. Anyone who does fast food on occasion already knows this as it has already happened. Oh and all the left has is fake news............because facts are an alien concept for them. :roflol:
     
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    only in right wing, fake news. Capital will have to seek gains from efficiency, not cheap labor.

    Unfilled jobs cost the U.S. economy $160 billion a year
    http://fortune.com/2014/11/18/unfilled-jobs-us-economy/
     
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    Where is a market and a need, labor prices will necessarily rise to fill the void. No amount of government interference dictates supply and demand. Artificial ceilings and floors NEVER work. It's no different than rationing. You can keep quoting Mother Jones talking points all day but they are not entrenched in fact. You've regurgitated the same line 3 times in this thread with nothing to back it up. :roflol:

    And as for your article, you didn't even read it.

    n D’Arcy’s view, the skills gap won’t begin to close until employers change the way they match applicants to job openings. Out of necessity, some are already doing it differently than in the past. “In fields like food service and education, companies need the same IT expertise and other specialized skills that other industries need, but they can’t pay as much as, say, the financial services industry can,” he notes. “So the lower-paying employers have had to think about how to find and develop a broader pool of candidates.”:roflol:
     
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    The fact that there is such vocal desent to the Accountable Capitalism Act (labeling it Nationalizing when it is in fact no such thing) means its likely good for the common joe and bad for the super rich.

    Whatever spin you want to apply, I don't see anything bad about what she's proposing.
     
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    only in right wing fantasy.

    in the real world, supply and demand are economic laws.

    there is no unemployment only underpayment.

    Cheap labor is Not an Option for the First World.
     
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    The wealthy do have a habit of taking from the public treasury, in fact, the minority just got a huge tax cut, another robbery from the Treasury..
     
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    Just look up free college in Missouri.
     
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    Yeah right. Tell that to those that suffered during Bozo's administration. :roflol: It is you that denies the realities of market forces, not I. When labor becomes an absolute necessity for companies when the demand for products and services presents a need, wages will rise to fill the void. That's why in the Dakotas during the early fracking days wages were so astronomical for minimally skilled workers. The need slacked off, and now the boom for those people is over.
     
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    If one does some un-biased research, you find the wealthy are the ones supporting the public treasury.
    I have never taken a dime from government, not even an unemployment check. I draw social security now- but because of my earned income, I'm still paying- and paying a lot, and they tax what I draw as income. This year will be better, my fed tax will be about the same as an average family income. A few years back, I had 6-figure taxes two years in a row. One of those years, my social security contribution was more than the benefits. The public treasury is, for me, like they say about a boat- it's a hole in the water you throw money into.

    I don't mind paying taxes, but I do mind not getting my money's worth. The top 10% of income earners are paying right at 71% of the total federal tax. I'd say they are doing their share, and then some.
     
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    San Francisco and Seattle support my contention, and not yours.
     
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    Say stupid things, recieve stupid responses.

    It takes since massive mental gymnastics to equate allowing people to keep more of the fruits of their labor with them getting free money.
     
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    You take money from everyone that pays a higher income tax rate than you.
    No wonder you hate tax cuts
     
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    let's cut spending.
    Where should we start?
    Corporate subsidies?
    Military spending?
    Foreign aid?
    Congressional healthcare for life?
    Congressional pensions?
     
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    Cut spending by twice as much.
    I'm good with that
     
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    Start a business and pay it
     
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    It is not fear mongering it is an accurate warning of insanity.

    There is no logical, moral or intelligent reason to regulate who buys stocks and when.

    If companies wish to put workers on their boards that is fine but forcing it is a recipe for disaster.
     
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    That is a contradiction which means it is a false hood.

    A tax cut does not equal free money it is money earned and owned by the person or persons who receive the cut.
     
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