World’s ‘solar and wind capital’ freezing due to snow ‘blanketing millions’ of solar panels

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  1. Boilermaker55

    Boilermaker55 Well-Known Member

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    The energy conglomerates need to put new ideas out in front, and set profits aside to a point.
    And the politicians need to look to the future and not be suffocated by the total strangle-hold that the fossil fuel industry
    has had on the world.

     
  2. Jack Hays

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    When we eventually recover from this round of renewables madness, it will be fossil fuels that once again save the day.
     
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    People are still falling for the idiotic lie that this was caused by renewables? After how many times it has been debunked? I guess some people will always put desperate propaganda over facts.
     
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    It has been disputed, not debunked. It's still being 'studied'.
     
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    This has nothing to do with whether anything was or was not caused by renewables.
     
  6. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    So . . . it has nothing to do with the topic? Kk.
     
  7. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    It has to do with the post to which I was replying.
     
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    It has been debunked. On this thread. Read it if you want. What happened was a tragic emergency, not an "opportunity" to spread lies about renewable energy and treat people as political footballs.
     
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    There were multiple failures, but wind failed worst and first. Indeed, the only thing that kept wind from being a bigger failure was its relatively smaller share of Texas power generation.
     
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    Not worst. And not the cause. Critical thinking and honesty > desperate biases.
     
  11. Jack Hays

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    Sorry, but the data are against you.
    "Wind was operating almost as well as expected"... A Texas-sized Energy Lie

    . . . While there were severe problems with thermal generating sources from February 15-18, wind was basically a no-show from February 9-18.

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    EIA Hourly Grid Monitor
    And this puts the lie to these fact checker claims:

    • Fact check: Renewable energy is not to blame for the Texas energy crisis
    • No, frozen wind turbines aren’t the main culprit for Texas’ power outages
    • No, Wind Farms Aren’t the Main Cause of the Texas Blackouts
    The truth…

    • Renewable energy is why Texas has less natural gas and coal capacity than it would have had otherwise.
    • Frozen wind turbines are why coal-fired power plants were operating at >90% of capacity from February 9-14 and natural gas power plants were operating at 70% to more than 80% of capacity from February 11-14.
    • Wind farms aren’t the main cause of the Texas blackouts because most of them had already been knocked offline by freezing temperatures and ice… Nearly a week before the blackouts! . . .
     
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    Dude, ERCOT has already reported that wind met its projections. Give it up. We rely on wind less on wind in winter.
     
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    Disputed. When we all froze there was no input from renewable sources and it wasn't recovery of those systems that finally got us relief, it was fossil fuels, nuclear and maybe even some hydroelectric. This battle will rage because of the investment in money and politics that have been sunk into renewables.
     
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    Please do some homework. At least a little. Whoever told you that we received "no input from renewable resources" during this time period is just outright lying to you. Stamping their feet and crying "DISPUTTEED" is a tantrum, not an argument. Multiple sources have been provided showing that they were producing. None have been offered saying they weren't.

    Please catch up. Read the thread. It will help.
     
  15. Jack Hays

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    Sorry, but your claim is false. The detailed graphic presentations of the data are already available to you in the link I provided.
     
  16. Jack Hays

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    You are contradicted by the factual record.
     
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    I provided links backing up my claim. You should try actually reading your own graph. It does not back up you claims, and whoever added the "wind takes a vacation" line, which doesn't actually align with any data on the graph, needs to have a junior high student given them some basic math tutoring.

    1) The "wind vacation" timeframe highlights a time period in which wind energy was rising for half of the timeframe (at about the same rate as natural gas and solar while consistently producing more than either) only to show it diving at the exact moment that solar and natural gas were also diving at about the same rate (with wind still consistently producing more than either).
    2) Coal and nuclear are flat while wind/solar/natural gas are rising, and dive whenever those sources do.
    3) I think you are getting confused by the combination of the false "wind takes a vacation" label and not understanding what the line represents.

    Please actually review the graph.
     
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    Too many Es. Breathe.
     
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    Too busy taking people to task for spreading nonsense and refusing to do their due diligence so that they can take what happened to me and my neighbors and use it as an excuse to spread fringe lunacy to attack renewable energy.
     
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    I have no idea where you are getting those claims, but they don't come from the data here.
    In February 2021, prior to Winter Storm Younger Dryas, wind accounted for 30% of ERCOT’s electricity generation…

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    EIA Hourly Grid Monitor
    During Winter Storm Younger Dryas, wind dropped off to 8% of ERCOT electricity generation, while natural gas more than doubled as a percentage of ERCOT electricity generation…

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    EIA Hourly Grid Monitor
    While there were severe problems with thermal generating sources from February 15-18, wind was basically a no-show from February 9-18.

    [​IMG]
    EIA Hourly Grid Monitor
     
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    This could spawn a new industry. People with gasoline powered leaf blowers to clear the snow off of the solar panels. A broom could be the back-up if gasoline stations are unable to pump gasoline.
     
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    Maybe try checking your last graph? Why post the damn thing if you refuse to even glance at it?

    "While there were severe problems with thermal generating sources from February 15-18, wind was basically a no-show from February 9-18."

    No one capable of reading your last graph could make that claim. Either the graph is BS, or your claims above or BS. You can't have it both ways.

    Please, please try reading your own ****ing graph. It shows the EXACT same rising and falling patterns for wind, solar, and natural gas Feb 9-18. Did you just refuse to read the key provided?
     
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    Solar and natural gas performed at about the same rate, if the graph @Jack Hays provided is to be believed.
     
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    Sorry, but that graph shows exactly what I posted. I believe you are having trouble grasping it. Do you understand that the solar and wind slivers rest on the nuclear-coal-gas base?
     
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