Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took top-secret action to protect nuclear weapons

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  1. stone6

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    I've been giving you facts...you just aren't listening.
     
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    The concern was manufactured by the msm and Democrats.

    The idea that he'd start ww3 by nuking China is laughable.
     
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    Saved by a rogue general. I feel so much saver now. I hope to hear more during the hearing like exactly what did he say to China. I keep hearing many different versions.
     
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    He was telling his followers that if he lost the election, it would only be because it was rigged, as if he could predict the future. He can't and didn't. Milley was only telling the Chinese..."no way." That there are safeguards in the system to prevent the President from carrying out illegal orders. If the Chinese were attacked unprovoked, it would be an illegal order.
     
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    Milley had no reason to approach the Chinese with that. He bypassed a sitting President for a political slogan.
     
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    I wish we had our Constitution -- including the 10TH-AMENDMENT -- back as it once was!

    Lincoln destroyed the 10th-Amendment, and then, in 1913, liberal "Progressive" Democrats led by Woodrow Wilson enslaved our free-market economy, putting it under the REAL control of the Federal Reserve System.

    So, I'll raise a glass to "Constitution Day"... in remembrance of what was once a truly GREAT country, and an excellent constitutional charter by which to keep it GREAT for hundreds of years into the future... now, both gone forever....
     
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    No...I'd say the President by-passed the Constitution for a political slogan..."Stop the Steal."
     
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    The tenth amendment is OK...it just didn't negate Article VI (the superiority of federal law over state law) or the SCOTUS power of judicial review (established in Marbury v. Madison). The former gave authority to Congress over State Legislatures; the latter gave the Supreme Court the power to confirm the constitutionality of federal law.
     
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    That is what we would say at most of the stuff Trump has done. Then he went and did it

    Pushing aside other Dignitaries to step in front of them

    Sharpie Gate

    Throwing paper towels at Hurricane damaged residents

    Asking another country to interfere with USA elections

    Telling your supporters they must take back the country on Jan 6

    Losing the Election and not conceding

    Telling the VP not to certify the election

    Telling doctors

    " I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs."

    " I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you're going to test that too... So, we'll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute - that's pretty powerful."

    Yup

    Who would believe Trump would do these things , it's too Laughable. But he did
     
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    "Stupid is as stupid does."
     
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    Please. None of what you just said makes it OK for our top general to collude with China.
     
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    He tried to overturn an election. That's a "no-no." He asked a mob to pressure Pence too break the Constitution and U.S. law. He should have been arrested the day after Biden's inauguration. But, his indictment is coming closer.
     
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    He wasn't colluding with China. He was telling his counterpart the U.S. would act under law. No Chinese provocation, no attack.
     
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    This is the silliness you bought for over 4 years.

    You guys will believe anything Rachel Maddow or Pelosi tells you.

    And none of it changes the fact that Milley does not have control of the military but Trump did.

    Milley needs to be fired even just based on his Afghanistan blunder.
     
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    No one in the military would buy your spin.

    There is a chain of command that must be adhered to period.

    Besides the point that there is no evidence Trump wanted to start ww3.


    Besides the point that no one man, even POTUS can launch a nuke by themselves.

    Besides the fact that this conversation took place well before the election.
     
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    Chuck711 said:
    That is what we would say at most of the stuff Trump has done. Then he went and did it

    Pushing aside other Dignitaries to step in front of them

    Sharpie Gate

    Throwing paper towels at Hurricane damaged residents

    Asking another country to interfere with USA elections

    Telling your supporters they must take back the country on Jan 6

    Losing the Election and not conceding

    Telling the VP not to certify the election

    Telling doctors

    " I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs."

    " I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you're going to test that too... So, we'll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute - that's pretty powerful."

    Yup

    Who would believe Trump would do these things , it's too Laughable. But he did


    Sorry you're wrong

    I watched the video or TV showing Trump actually doing these Laughable acts and saying these things

    It wasn't told by " Rachel Maddow or Pelosi " it was said by Trump

    So I can understand General Milley being concerned ............. Trump isn't playing with a Full deck
     
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    You not liking the bad orange man does not change the facts.

    Milley is history.
     
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    Chuck711 said:

    Pushing aside other Dignitaries to step in front of them

    Sharpie Gate

    Throwing paper towels at Hurricane damaged residents

    Asking another country to interfere with USA elections

    Telling your supporters they must take back the country on Jan 6

    Losing the Election and not conceding

    Telling the VP not to certify the election

    Telling doctors

    " I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs."

    " I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you're going to test that too... So, we'll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute - that's pretty powerful."



    It's not about Liking or hating Trump

    It's about Trump doing these things and obviously not playing with a Full deck

    General Milley knew at the time what his actions meant for his career

    General Milley was a Patriot who was saving the world from Trump
     
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    There was a general concern - globally - that Trump might try and overthrow the election. How he would do that was anybody's guess. Milley was reassuring his Chinese counterpart that that was NOT the case. We were still a nation under law, not Trump, but if that changed, he'd let him know. The American military's oath is to the Constitution and the rule of law. Milley assured both China and Pelosi that the system would not let Trump go around the rule of law.

    But, we was concerned...he'd already caught Trump going around established procedures on military issues...the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan. When caught, Trump backed down and stuck to his May 1st date. Biden changed that once in office. IF the Chinese believed Trump was not stable, they may have well launched a preemptive strike against the United States. It was Milley's job to reassure the rest of the world that Trump would NOT go rogue...which is what he did.
     
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    His term is up in October...he may retire then...but as of the moment, it's Trump who is "history."
     
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    So what? He has no command or control authority. He is an adviser ONLY. He cannot order the military to do anything. The NSC does not make the decision, it advises.

    "The advisers may or may not join the conference in a timely way. If a brewing crisis suddenly escalates and catches them off guard, key advisers may fail to get on the call before a president decides the time to strike has arrived. During nuclear release exercises and real-world incidents involving North Korea and other nations over the past decade, missile launch preparations or actual firings posing a potential threat triggered emergency conferences, but notification often failed to reach key advisers in time. Sometimes none of the advisers checked in, leaving the president and the head of Strategic Command (StratCom), whose role is to brief the president on nuclear options and their consequences, alone in the hot seats.5

    After this briefing, the president may seek advice from any, all, or none of the advisers in the room or on the telephone before rendering a decision, which likely but not necessarily involves choosing a preprogrammed option.6 Formally, he does not need any approval or consent, although StratCom or others on the call could attempt to dissuade the president if his thinking or final decision veer into the realm of the obviously misguided or illegal.7 Even the defense secretary has no particular role other than offering advice if asked. Contrary to widespread belief, he does not confirm the order or otherwise bless it in any way. But this is their last chance to change the president’s mind before a formal launch order is prepared by the Pentagon, disseminated, and inexorably implemented."
    https://www.armscontrol.org/act/201...-checks-presidential-nuclear-launch-authority

    Milley had NO business telling the Chinese or other officers what it is reported he did.
     
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    The War Powers Act grants "emergency powers" to the President to launch an attack SOLELY as a response to an enemy attack on the U.S. Basically, Milley was telling his counterpart, if the President breaks the law, I'll tell you.
     
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    There was a hyperbolic story being promoted by the MSM and Democrats that Trump was going to start a war because somehow that would leave him in office. It was totally baseless political propaganda. If the Chinese somehow swallowed it that is on those would were promoting the false narrative. If Milley got word of some Chinese worried his duty was not to the Chinese it was to the CnC and his duty to inform him so that the President, the SecDef and the SecState could decide what to do. Even if he spoke to the them without getting permission he had a duty to report the phone call up his chain command to the President and exactly what was said. And he CERTAINLY had no authority to inject himself into the chain of command downward to officers reporting to the President to usurp his authority and take authority he did not have. That's insubordination. If the reporting is true Biden has no choice to fire him if he Biden is any kind of leader and has any idea about the military besides wearing aviator shades and fighter pilot jackets.

    The President IS miltiary proceedure he is the Commander in Chief. Everyone was demanding he hold true to his promise to get the troops out, as the Dems and Biden like to point out everyone wanted them out. He was doing what those wanted him to do. The military advised to him extend the date and he listened to them.

    The military advised Biden to extend his date, he refused.
     
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    This has nothing to do with the War Powers Act. It's about did Milley have a role in a nuclear launch or authority in the matter. NO HE DOES NOT. No one has to approve or agree with the President.

    The fact remains, there is not and never was a shred of evidence that Trump was going to launch nuclear missiles. Milley was insubordinate, he acted without authority and was derelict in his duties and if his statement to the Chinese is accurately reported committed an act of treason.
     

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