Would any Trumpette like to take a swing at this?

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  1. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There were several questionable actions by the Obama administration, but nothing indictable. Your whataboutism is an epic fail. Compared to the number of Trump people indicted, convicted, on trial, making plea deals, and serving prison time, the Obama people were effing saints.
     
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    He's still doing it. The Trump administration still won't even admit that Russia interferred, much less take action to stop them for 2020.
     
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    Perhaps the DNC would respond if there were any truth to this claim.

    Google does not directly control search results. If you search the word "idiot" and the results include pictures of Trump, that isn't google, that's simply an algorithm that picks up on the fact that millions of users refer to Trump as an idiot. Google searches are user-driven.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No obstruction? Obviously, you didn't read the Mueller Report, or else didn't understand it.
     
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    Just means the constitution is a waste of time.
     
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    Wbat are you talking about? They increased spending on election security...increased sanctions on Russia....and indicted Russians and Russians businesses for it
     
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    No...but exposing him, yes! The Republicans are scared shitless of him
     
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    No where in the Mueller Report does he conclude the President committed Obstruction...in fact quite the opposite...he specificlly states he does not conclude the President committed a crime. Read the conclusion section of Vol 2
     
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    What is so interesting is that no one denies that it happened except for the Trumper’s, the ones trump counts on not to educate themselves
     
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    He clearly stated that he did not vindicate trump from obstruction of justice
     
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    It's not the job of a prosecutor to "vindicate" anyone....he clearly stated he did not conclude the President committed a crime. It's that simple. Since that didn't happen, guess what? The President remains innocent. That's how it works in the US Criminal Justice system.

    With that said, and back to the point of the thread.....what is anyone doing about Google's manipulation of elections?
     
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    If that's what you really think, perhaps you're living in the wrong country.
     
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    Congress increased sanctions on Russia in a rare bipartisan move, and Trump delayed signing it for almost two weeks.

    The increased spending on election security had nothing to do with cyber security directed against hacking and propaganda campaigns via our social media apps, which is what Russia did and is still doing. In fact, just months ago, sanctions were actually lifted for at least one known interfering Russian oligarch, Oleg Deripaska. Look that up, do some research, and get back to me if you think you can explain that away. Hint: Deripaska is how we came to call McConnel "Moscow Mitch."

    Russians and one Russian business were indicted only because the Special Counsel specifically looked into their activities. Trump tried to block or end that investigation more than once (read the Mueller Report).
     
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    Mueller did not conclude anything one way or the other in Volume II of the report, and went to great lengths to explain why. He also explained why he could not exonerate Trump on obstruction. Of the 11 activities investigated, at least 8 met all of the criteria for proving a case of obstruction of justice. Read it for yourself.

    Like I said, either you didn't read the report or you didn't understand it. As soon as Trump leaves the Oval Office, he will be greeted by law enforcement. There are handcuffs and a bright orange jumpsuit waiting for him.
     
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    Of course he couldn’t it’s not what prosecutors do. They look for evidence and bring a case if they can. He couldn’t here
     
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    Barr is following the Constitution.
     
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    Trump did exactly the contrary of what you're saying.

    Election security funding has been blocked by Moscow Mitch
    https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/201...n-security-bills-in-the-Senate/6561564090887/

    Trump dragged his feet to impement sanctions imposed by Obama and by Congress
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ew-russia-sanctions-despite-law-idUSKBN1FI2V7

    And he lifted sanctions on Russian businesses
    https://www.biznews.com/global-investing/2019/01/28/glencore-boost-trump-eases-sanctions-russian-pal

    The expression "drink the Kool Aid" has been used to describe when gullible people believed a cover-up story. But Trump doesn't even bother to cover them up. He basically tells his supporters "this is poison, and you have to drink it"... and they drink it!
     
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    Unfortunately not very well, I wish they would just get on with it and stop wasting time, the sooner they move forward with that the quicker we can just put this next election to bed and watch Trump win 49 states.
     
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    The GOP and President passed funding for election security quite some time ago: https://www.eac.gov/2018-hava-election-security-funds/

    Trump's added sanctions against Russia:https://www.brookings.edu/blog/orde...rd-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/

    He only lifted some on one business the second largest producer of Aluminum in the world

    You really need to lay off the Kool-Aid and propganda
     
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    He clearly stated that there wasn’t collusion but implied there was obstruction of justice and it was up to congress, not him to indict
     
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    no actually he clearly stated in his conclusion that he didn't conclude the President committed a crime. He never referred crimainl charges over to Congress to impeach. Congress doens't indict people, they can impeach...here however, unlike say when Starr investigated Clinton, there was no recommendation of crimes
     
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    Well according to yoy, and the poster I replied to ... millions of swing states Clinton supporters need to "educate themselves" ... not I. :roflol: My vote wasn't decided by Facebook "likes" or "re Tweets".
     
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    Oh ffs.

    As Mueller stated, since you either can't read it yourself or don't get it, is that according to DOJ rules, a sitting president cannot be indicted. And Mueller, out of what I think is excessive "fairness," decided not to make any accusations or come to any conclusions within the report regarding Trump's guilt, because to Mueller, making a criminal accusation outside of a court of law leaves the accused with no immediate resource for repudiating an accusation.

    So, what he did was use the three primary criteria for obstruction charges:

    1. The action itself: would said action affect the investigation?

    2. Nexus to an ongoing or contemplated criminal proceeding: would the action affect any other case, current or planned?

    3. Motive: did Trump have a personal motive for obstructing the investigation?

    Out of the actions detailed in Volume II, Mueller and his team concluded that eight met all three criteria. The evidence was clear, and is detailed in the report. Please read it before you continue your denial.

    Mueller provided a detailed roadmap for congress to follow, for them to do their constitutionally mandated duty of bringing impeachment charges against a sitting president that he himself could not indict. These criminal actions by Trump have a five year statute of limitations, which is precisely why Trump is desperate to get re-elected. Another four years in the Oval Office is his one and only "get out of jail free" card.
     
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    Can you point me to where in the memo he said there was obstuction? I just read the Conclusion section again....and yep...he specifically states he did not conclude the President committed a crime. Ultimately, since he punted, it was up to the DOJ and they reviewed it as well, and concluded there was nothing indictable...hence why the House hasn't even attempted to impeach.
     

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