Would you rather have Russians or liberals interfering in our elections?

If I were to pick, I'd have to say Russians like Americans more then American liberals do. Which isn't saying much.

 

Pretty sad isn't it? Is it 1984 yet?

 

This should be the new motto of the republican party. Traitors.

 

Before you go overboard with your labels, maybe you should ask yourself why the Obama Administration allowed the Russians to set up shop. Obama was warned as far back as 2014. It wasn't until Hillary lost the election that liberals collectively wet their pants. Maybe you can explain this.....

 

Not at all surprised you'd choose the russian kleptocracy over your fellow americans every time. Unless of course they aren't your fellow americans. Which is it tovarish?

 

He did. He implemented sanctions, promoted world wide sanctions, confiscated russian property, and expelled a bunch of russians.

Might recall trump screaming about "fixed election" during the campaign. Imagine the reaction if Obama "went public" with the accusations. Hell the trumpettes and trolls still today believe "collusion" is a hoax.

The russians actively supported trump during the campaign. Period. There is a crime in cooperating or collaborating or colluding with the russian efforts as the indictments clearly indicate.

No getting around the facts.

 

So, you would rather our country be ruled by "dictatorship"---
The rest of your sad commentary is not worthy of comment---
TROLL- Thread----Get out of our country----

 

Go cry about Obama elsewhere. Trump is the one refusing to act on the sanctions passed by congress in near unanimous fashion. Trump is the one unwilling to take a stand against vladdy. We now know without a doubt Russia meddled and acted to actively sabotage our democratic process. Trump is the president now, it is up to him to act.

 

I asked you what Obama proactively did knowing the Russians were setting up shop. Everything in bold was done after the fact at the end of 2016. Whatever the Russians did at that point was history. The bottom line is you don't have an answer for what Obama didn't do when he should have been protecting the country. You live down to my expectations.

The Russians had the goal of creating chaos. There operation was well in place before Trump won the Republican nomination, so it really didn't matter who was running. I find it a bit amusing that you ignore this fact.

No American was found to have colluded. You might want to read the indictment again.

 

I get it. Ignore the question of what Obama was doing while the Russians were setting up operations. Looking at the question honestly might make your head explode. That would be messy.

 

You mean the indictment that outlines the goal of helping trump and hurting hillary? I read it.

Guess you missed that the question of is it a crime to "collude" with russia has been answered emphatically. Stay tuned.

 

OK. Your diversion and avoidence confirms that Obama did little or nothing to shut the Russians down. At least we have agreement on this point.

The MSM spent almost a year rabidly trying to achieve the goal of helping Hillary and hurting Trump. I don’t see you shedding alligator tears for that manipulation.

People can only be manipulated if they allow themselves to be. Using FB for your political reality means you have no right to complain about accuracy. A large number of naive and gullible young leftists were supposedly duped. Cry me a river.

If you’re stuck on collusion, spell out your case. The indictment certainly didn’t.

 

Unfortunately millions do

 

if i said or implied that I'll pay you $10,000. Bet?
your subconscious created a straw man without knowing it! Do you understand?

 

How should homophobes be addressed?

 

You appear to know a lot about being manipulated. The collusion case is not mine to lay out. I leave that to the professionals.

Of course you claiming there is no evidence and its all a hoax, isn't premature adjudication in your world. Or that hillary is a criminal.

Considering how often trump has lied about his involvement with russians, how he has consistently claimed its all a hoax, how he has studiously avoided any condemnation of russia or putin, how he has snubbed his nose at congress about additional sanctions, how so many of his campaign "associates" have been found with direct russian contacts, how numerous of his senior campaign members (including himself) retweeted fake news russian troll stories, how there is documented evidence that senior campaign members were aware of the russian efforts to abet their campaign, how there is documented evidence that the russians offered "dirt" on clinton directly to the campaign (and they lied thru their teeth about it), or that trump admitted to obstruction of justice at least twice in front of journalists, I guess this witch hunt is a waste of time.

You and inspector clouseau must have graduated from the same detective school.

 

Why?? I’m asking an honest question.

I’m on FB a lot. I’m there for two main reasons:

1) I’m there to communicate with friends. That means people I know in the flesh.

2). I’m there as a member of sports groups where I physically participate in events. The groups exist to distribute important information on schedules, dates, times, etc. I personally know the owner of each group, and I know the accuracy of communicated data.

The point is that I know exactly who I’m communicating with, what I can 100% trust, and what I can’t.

There are too many trusted outlets to get political insights to rely on Anonymous FB propaganda. Why would anyone eat that stuff up??

 

but we know that liberals meddled too, and we know that people from all over the world expressed opinions about who they wanted elected. So? Rich people meddle with their money, the media meddles with their airways, teachers meddle from their classrooms, athletes meddle from their locker rooms . Who cares? We should be happy to hear what they have to say. Can we only hear certain things from certain people because we will be unable to resist their siren songs? Are we idiotic?

 

Don't worry this isn't over. There will be probably be many more indictments.

Who know the last one will probably have Trump's name alone on it or Mueller will put whoever family members involved with Trump on the Last indictment.

 

Who gives a crap what the rest of the world thinks about who should be president? They don't get a vote. This is some of the most ridiculous justification for ignoring russian interference in our election. Either you're not american or a very poor one.

 

You should read this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...utin-election-hacking/?utm_term=.12c19a4c9c04

 

You brought up collusion. Not me. So I asked what you have to bring to the table that deserves being read. Your backpedaling of "The collusion case is not mine to lay out" says you're blowing smoke. If you're going to bring something up, have something to offer. You failed here.

So far we have a circus indictment of 13 Russians, and a statement of "“There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity". And you want to know who is being manipulated??

What I read above is another typical outburst of TDS. Again, you bring a lot of Democratic talking points, but no meat. Thanks for nothing....

 

Yeah, damn obama and him not having a crystal ball. Trump has the power to do something about it now that we know without a doubt their efforts to subvert our democratic process. It shouldn't matter what the outcome was. What should matter is that they did it and our president is going to let them get away with it. He's a fraud and a coward, and it's no surprise to see his supporters in here espousing the same traits.

 

I did a quick read. Per the article, I think it really came down to this:

"“It is the hardest thing about my entire time in government to defend,” said a former senior Obama administration official involved in White House deliberations on Russia. “I feel like we sort of choked.”

Whatever they actually tried to do came up short. I suspect that Obama never bought into what Russia was capable of until it was too late. That's kind of spelled out in a Politico article:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/14/obama-russia-election-interference-241547

From this article:

"But others in the national security community say an overly cautious Obama White House could have done more both during the campaign and in the previous months and years to alert Russia that it was aware of its intentions to subvert the U.S. democracy — along with those of some other Western countries — and would retaliate forcefully at the first sign of Russian interference".

It's hard to conclude anything other that it came down to Obama stopping Russian activities before they picked up steam. Weather it was disinterest or incompetence, the buck stops there.

 

Obama had a "crystal ball" beginning with intelligence reports in 2014:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/14/obama-russia-election-interference-241547

I find it interesting, and more important telling, that you want to ignore the POTUS who allowed the mess to happen in the first place.