Would you support splitting the U.S. into two nations?

Anything is feasible but logistically it would be dam near impossible, you literally have neighbors, family members, coworkers that have different political ideologies and those can change in a short period of time depending on the flow. I don't think we are politically or culturally that far apart once you remove the 5% of the extreme ends of the right/left you find that the other 90% really don't disagree in a severe sense, and if nothing else they are just fine to agree to disagree without any kind of confrontation.

For me It starts with the POTUS and Congress, then we have the issue of the media.

In a perfect world we spend the next 3 elections 20,22,24 to replace every politician in congress and block out the extremists by sheer numbers, start fresh, ideally with a strong 3rd party presence, stick it to the two major parties who have proven clearly that they can't work and play well together. At the same time, somehow, even its just by ignoring them, force the media to approach news in an unbiased way, again, shutting out the extremes (from msnbc,cnn all the way to fox).

It sure seems simple to just convince voters that their incumbent is just as bad as all the other ones, we could clean house and in 6 years

 

Yes, this is what I mentioned earlier, we have allowed our political leaders and the media to draw the line in the sand for us and seemingly force us to pick sides, we are under no obligation to do so but we do it anyway, or at least we appear to do so. IMO it still circles back to the extremists on both sides and allowing the leaders/media to paint a broad brush on the silent majority and lump us in with the hardcore's on the edges.

 

If this is really what you think or conservatives, I think I have identified who possesses low information.

 

This is why socialism, in any form, must come with force.

 

No, not if that means giving over States rights to the federal government. Yes, if that means returning to the States the rights not specifically given to the federal government in the constitution. It is better to "come apart" than to suffer the "usual fate of nations" and give more responsibility/authority to a centralized government than our constitution defines.

 

Absolutely! Ridiculous how the tyranny of minority rules the majority. I am a huge advocate for BLUEXIT..

 

Well, no one knows the future.

I've read things that make me believe that the divisions within the US are very deep, are widespread - not confined to the extremes -- and will get deeper.
But I could be wrong. Or, I could be right, but the conservatives just accept the way we are going, and then go down with the ship when it founders.

 

That's an excellent article in the New Republic. I just subscribed to publication, which I used to read long ago (long before it began to move Left), and it reinforces my decision. I'm going to spread this link around everywhere there are liberals/progressives -- it's a very eloquent argument for getting rid of us. I urge every left-of-center person here to read it. Thank you for posting it.

 

You are quite welcome and I have posted it on several forums.

 

would you be kind enough to elaborate or source?

I'll concede that I've read opinion pieces that indicate the divisions are deeper than my anecdotal evidence indicate as well.

I tend to think that when things get hairy, common sense prevails outside of the extremes. a little common sense goes a long way.

what I feel, is that the media decides when and where to broadcast the extreme personalities on both sides to suit the agenda of the day the more drama or controversy the better and if you cant find it, create it by holding back selective info until minds get made up then drop a twist in there.

These days fortunately you really don't have to go out of your way to find drama because there's a microphone or a Twitter or camera on just about everybody whose opinion THEY think needs exposed, or used as propaganda, to feed controversy & feed the agenda

 

The right can surround themselves with 30 feet high walls so they can be trapped in in case of an emergency. Sounds good to me.

 

I suppose New Sparta is supposed to be us anti-intellectual war-loving rightwingers.

However, you'll find that we actually revere the ancient Greeks, and Athens, as founders of Western Civilization. Our intellectuals (people like Donald Kagan, Victor Davis Hanson) are always writing about lessons to be learnt from them -- the Pelepponesian War has gotten a lot of attention lately from them. Admittedly, the only Greek most of us in the rank and file know is 'Molon Labe', which the Left would no doubt reject since it symbolizes racist resistance to Persian immigration. It's the vanguard of the Left who scorns 'Eurocentrism' and paying special attention to Dead White Males.

So ... we can be the New Athens and Blue America can be ... ... what? Hard to think of anything that would be acceptable to the Left. They already spell it "Amerikkka".

I know! Honor one of the first countries to throw off white imperialist rule, two centuries ago:

Blue America can rename itself New Haiti!

 

For shame!

Anyway, remember that the Atom Bomb was invented by liberals and Communists (our side being too stupid to do anything but carry M1s), and the decision to use
it was taken by a Democrat.

So any nuking is likely to be the other way around.

 

Nobody is for open borders or unlimited immigration and illegals do not get welfare. You are totally misinformed. pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill that started out with an ID card and end this GOP scam. An ID card and enforcement is the only solution like the other countries have done. The wall is stupid and won't work.

 

That is communism. Bernie Sanders and every other modern country say socialism is simply always Democratic capitalism with a good safety net. The GOP propaganda machine totally missinforms people.

 

The mere thought of the prospect makes a mockery of THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA????

 

Communists stole the nuke. Yes Republicans were on the wrong side of history then too... Starting the great depression and being isolationist thanks a lot. LOL

 

I think it would be a lot better if we concentrated on educating the people more than they are these days. And we have to bring back the fairness doctrine so that listeners of Fox news and Rush Limbaugh etc get educated out of their fugue state LOL a few minutes of debate an hour would do it.

 

Socialism absolutely comes with force, even the democratic type.

If it didnt, and it was a voluntary system, Obama wouldn't have needed the Individual Mandate and fines. That's the force.

Socialism, even the democratic kind, is just communism light. In all cases, its forcing compliance in favor of the collective and opting out is not optional.

 

I was thinking the Snowflake People's Republic or The Femocracy

 

We've probably both seen the same opinion polls -- things like this:

Of course the "two thirds of the way to the edge of a civil war" statement simply shows the statistical innumeracy of the writer.

But my views actually come from my observations of where the American intelligentsia -- the people who man its 'cultural apparatus' -- have been trending.

I suppose I first detected -- or really became aware of -- this trend, through participation in a forum called 'Friendly Atheist'. I think it's mainly read by young people (in their 20s), people who are well-educated ... the future of America. After a while, it became clear to me that these folks have a deep disdain for their own country, and for their countrymen who are not of their social class. If there is a news item about the flag being burned,they'll say, at best, "Well, it's just a piece of colored cloth". If someone reports that half the children in a class in a school where they teach no longer recite the Pledge of Allegiance, they're gleeful. I've noticed that liberals are moving pretty quickly towards opposing freedom of speech. There are other signs. These are just the ones that come to mind.

The polls just confirm this.

This is actually a complex topic -- how societies work, what holds them together ... and I don't think there is any authoritative answer. Certainly I don't have one. I just have a strong belief now that the US has lost the sense of being one nation, due to lots of factors no doubt.

I'm not a prophet but ... I do recall, in 1985, I predicted the end of the Soviet Union. This was after I had lived there a few months (my then-wife was a Fulbright Exchange Scholar in Kharkov, and I joined her), and had met a number of Soviet intelligentisa -- teachers and professors and computer people, mainly, in various parts of the USSR. (I took a microcomputer with me, and gave some lectures in Kharkov, Tallin, and Akademgoroduk on 'Computers and Education'. It was my observation that this social layer --the 'technicians' -- no longer believed in the system. They were cynical. So I believed that this couldn't go on ... and that eventually the system would implode. I thought it would take decades, however. But at the time you could read lots of smart people asserting that the Soviet Union, whatever its problems, was rock-solid and would continue into the indefinite future.

That's the feeling I have now. The American cultural technicians no longer love their country. And so it won't last. Please note I'm talkng about the younger generation, who will be taking over in the next decade or two. And I'm talking about the elite -- the graduates of the Ivies and similar first and second-tier colleges, more than the graduates of East Texas Bible College.

There are other factors -- the racial dynamic is one important one. I believe that American patriotism is the main emotional cord that prevents the growth of huge resentment among non-elite whites, and I see this being successfully melted away by the newer generations of the cultural elite.

Of course, I could be wrong. It's not a testable proposition, as a practical matter. And there are many other factors, some of which we are probably completely unaware, which will influence things.

All predictions are tentative -- I could be completely wrong and Jesus could bless us all with His benevolence, we could all love each other, and go forward into the bright sunlit uplands. But if not ...The bottom line -- for conservatives anyway -- is this: an AR15 and its accessories can be had for less than $1500.. A cheap investment. Every adult in your family should have one. If all turns out well, you will have wasted a bit of money. But get out to the shooting range, meet like-minded people, and you'll expand your social circle, so it's not entirely money wasted. And best wishes to everyone, Left and Right.

 

I'm such an old out-of-it conservative fuddy-duddy that I don't even know the reference! Something to do with Zombies? I'll look it up later.
Yes, I've always suspected the Spartans got a bad press. In the case of Greece, perhaps it's a case of "history is written by the losers", inverting that old cliche.