Yet more lies + war mongering from the usual suspects..

there is no doubt that many of the arabs were living as tenant farmers on absentee landlord property. There is also no doubt that many of the deeds etc. were destroyed or lost in the fall of the ottoman empire. Since you know all these facts, you must also know that the method of land ownership/registration in the empire was somewhat less than the modern approach.

I would also dispute the notion that "victory" details the right from the wrong. Victory details the enemy's "wrongs" and the victor's "rights" generally hiding or diminishing the enemy's "rights" and the victor's "wrongs". History has shown that with new data sources, the narrative is likely to change. Hell, even hitler did a great deal of good for his people until his insane quest to establish a thousand year reich and rid the world of jews destroyed it all.

I am not so sure that the absentee ownership law was a "balance of justice", particularly since many absentee owners could'nt return. Many of those laws were thinly veiled successful attempts to solidify jewish or state ownership of the land. I could dig up a number of other moves that in hindsight would certainly tip that balance in favour of Israeli jews.

 

I generally "forget" spurious, salacious jew hating propaganda. By its very nature its a distortion of fact and demonstrates a the profound ignorance of hatred.

Considering the relative contemporary nature of the conflicts listed, its pretty easy to examine the rationale for all of them.

But by the most peculiar coincidence in moder history, its seems the only people blaming Israel for American wars are jew haters and rabid anti-zionists.

 

We should emulate Japan a lot more.

 

As he attempts to move the goal posts clear out of the stadium.

I was specifically addressing the "leech" accusation and this salacious piece of jew hating propaganda that claims that Israel is totally reliant on the $3 billion in US aid and couldn't survive without it.

I totally agree that without the British and the Americans and the Russians, the partition would not have happened and Israel would probably not exist. This of course can be said of any number of countries that were founded upon the death of colonialism, including many of the arab countries and even India which amazingly only split into four countries.

Are you suggesting that I explain it in the absence of facts? Seems you have a hard time grasping facts when presented to you, so naturally you are left with attempting to denigrate the source. I do it myself when you present crap published by Barnes or Faurisson or brother nathanael, but you may recall I articulated the difference between hard facts and squishy opinion/distortion a couple of posts ago.

But I'll throw a couple more obvious bennies.
Haifa is the main eastern port of call for the US mediterranean fleet. Two significant joint development projects are the arrow missile system and the highenergy laser project. The US stores substantial amounts of war materiel in Israel as a staging site. Did I mention that fully 75% of the military aid MUST be spent on US weapons?

Of course there is the free trade agreement as well.
Despite your obvious aversion to graphical representations, I think the coloured pie charts did a decent job of outlining the hard and soft intell/security benefits of the relationship.

 

Besides the part about building nuclear reactors on top of the legendary Ring of Fire.

 

Once again. I said your default position is that he's lying because he is a jew.

And once again you demonstrate your issues with reading comprehension.

I did not attempt to deny it his war mongering, I merely pointed out how your suggestion that it be a crime is ridiculous.

I also noted that NO POLITICIAN has ever been charged with incitement to violence when discussing his countries national security interests. If that is incorrect, please enlighten me.

Yet another example of your mastery of the tactical handbook.

 

Interesting benchmark of what conclusive proof is in your world.

I find it hilarious that there are some that immediately take a new Iranian leader's word for his "good" intentions. Its not like the theocrats have suddenly changed their religious driven political perspectives over night, nor was his election the result of "free" elections.

It remains to be seen what Iran's true intentions are. While I don't believe they are at all interested in a full frontal war, I don't doubt they will continue their covert asymetric sectarian operations.

yet another unsubstantiated bit of nonsense.

I agree that Israel should sign the NPT and the CW. OTOH, of course they have grounds to complain or do you think that the US, EU, UN also don't have grounds to complain and are hypocrites?

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Already way ahead of the Japanese on that front. Might want to look up the locations of west coast reactors in relation to known fault lines and active volcanic activity.

 

Have you considered the occum's razor option?

If it seems they lie a lot it's because they do.

Just as he did with his latest insane allegations about Iran and nukes.

Just as Israel have been lying about this for 20yrs.

That is warmongering and lying.

Not my fault if they are Jews, is it?

They don't hide the fact, indeed, demanding to be known as the Jewish state.

Did you hear his latest one?

A lie, a bit of Jewish racism, and ignorant, all rolled into one....


http://rt.com/news/iran-netanyahu-jeans-protest-837/

 

Now, that is an example of what I was talking about wrt expecation of wit. Good one Jack.

 

What you did was claim that Israel are NOT a parasite on the US people and in fact they have a "happy and vibrant marriage", that Americans just cannot seem to fully appreciate, the way that you can.

What you then did was put up a pie chart drawn by a Jew that used to work for AIPAC.

The pie chart "proved" Israel are not a parasite.

Lol.

 

No jack that was the description in a source I posted. Once again you wish to distort the facts.

Yes, they are not a parasite. this is yet another example of you attempting to re-define the english language. You continue to harp about the authors past associations as tho it means that the FACTS they publish are somehow not FACTS.

As I have said before but it doesn't appear to have sunk in, using your logic, anything written by a nazi about the war, anything written by a black man about slavery, anything written by a christian about Islam etc etc etc is to be dismissed regardless of content.
The corrollary of this canard actually explains why you believe leuchter, rudolph, barnes, brother nathanael et.al.




par·a·site/ˈpærəˌsaɪt/ Show Spelled [par-uh-sahyt] Show IPA
noun
1. an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.
2. a person who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others.
3. (in ancient Greece) a person who received free meals in return for amusing or impudent conversation, flattering remarks, etc.

 

Not that I can be bothered with dwelling it, but "vibrant marriage" were your words, not something from an article.

And of course they are a parasite, it is a classic parasite/host scenario.

The US would actually recover and heal if they devolved themselves from Israel, and normalised relations with everyone else.

Only good would come of it for most Americans.

It's not merely about the direct aid, if the US were free of Jewish Zionists at all levels of Gov that matter, then it would simply follow a more rational course, and a more national based one. It would not be charging around all over the place acting like the attack dog for organised Jewry. These are the methods of a mob. These are the methods of a Meyer Lanksy. The US would have normalised relations with the rest of the World, and in a v short time they WOULD see and feel the benefits of this.

It is Israel and only Israel that would lose out, esp if the new arrangement brought them to account, without the usual US veto.

Israel would wither and die were they to be punted off the back of the US, told to stand on their own two feet, and made to answer for things, or face international sanctions.

Period.

 

What may I ask is wrong in "hating" = expressing CONTEMPT/loathing of the ideology of Zionism + its policies towards non-Jewish Palestinian ?

While my parents generation had a great deal of sympathy towards te Jewish people (in general) since the establishment of the Zionist entity - much has changed.

It a pity you cant understand the reasons why many people worldwide have changed their attitudes towards Jews - linking them with Israel's extremist/rcist policies towards Goyim.


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Those Jews are causing trouble again. Those Jews had the gaul to take a piece of sand and turn it into a great powerful free Nation. How dare those JEWS live in a civil way-create prosperity and freedom for its citizens, which include Muslims who live in that Jew state. The Arabs next door live like wild rabid animals. These evil Arabs take delight in killing little children-blow-up wedding halls-send rockets into Israel.

There will never be another Holocaust- unless the Islamic Loons decide to take on -those JEWS-this time Those JEWS will refuse to enter the gas chambers. This time the JEWS will send the Islamic savages on a journey to hook-Up with the 72 virgins promised to them by-------------
Hussein Barry Obama Jr. U-Akbar. Go ****s!!!!!!!!!

 

Even when I provide you with a dictionary definition, it seems you have a semantic problem as well as a semitic one.

What exactly is "organized jewry"? Your characterization of the US as the jew's attack dog is as stupid is it is ignorant - but that happens when jew haters substitue unsubstantiated bigoted opinion for rational analysis of the facts.

What kind of account? non binding UNGA's?

No country can survive on its own. Even N.Korea has china backing it up.
And without the US, the brits might be goosestepping all over the damn place.

Israel does stand on its own two feet, much to your frustration.

I guess you haven't stopped for a nanosecond to consider that without the charity of others, the palestinians would have faded away by now. If it wasn't for the manipulation of their "brethren" and the extreme prejudice of many of them, the palestinians would be called palestinian jordanians or palestinian syrians or palestinian Israelis, much like african americans or mexican americans. But of course why shouldn't the palestinians and their arab brethren be called to account for their own bumbling mistakes and crimes? Simply because they aren't jews?

When somebody judges a group of people using a different and unique set of criteria that they refuse to apply to others, that is a rather telling indication of bigotry - in fact, it fits within the definition quite nicely.

 

Oh my god.

Jonsa?

What sayeth you sire?

 

what part of " it seems the only people blaming Israel for American wars are jew haters and rabid anti-zionists" do you fail to comprehend.

I see nothing at all wrong with hating a political ideology. Hell I hate commies and nazis with a passion.
I also see nothing wrong with hating the brutality and oppression of military occupation.

What I do see wrong is ascribing a radical form of a political ideology to a general population that clearly does not believe in it.
What I do see wrong is the naive thinking that military occupation should be ended unilaterally by the occupiers without requisite assurances that a repeat will never again be necessary.
What I do see wrong is allowing ones bigotry to hide behind legitimate criticism.





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Well if speaking civil is wrong, and speaking antagonistically is wrong, what's the other option?

Getting a bit out of scope there. I never said anything about his intentions. I was referring to his words.

I'm not talking about who has grounds to complain. I'm talking about who is complaining. Like a baby.

Why? I already know where the ring of fire is. I don't recall saying that Japan weren't the only ones that stupid.

 

Nope.

When one group sets itself up as being different, then they are up for being judged.

Sorry.

 

Shinbone , go to Israel and go serve your Jewish masters .

Perhaps . in time . you'll come to learn what most Jews really think of you.

 

The USA might know. It was that country that first suggested that Iran develop nuclear energy.


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But to answer your question, there are various reasons:

# One is to save rapidly depletable hydrocarbon resources
But then as a US citizen you might not agree that such savings are required, given that it seems OK to start up a 3 tonne Dodge Ram, move that hunk of steel 400 yards down the road, all to buy a six-pack of Bud.

# To reduce the combustion of carbon-rich fuels and reduce the load on CO2 emissions.
Again, since your country seems to find this utterly unimportant, I am sure that you will remain unimpressed.

# To guard national treasures for future generations
See 1) and 2) above.

# To step in line with modern arid countries to provide resources for efficient desalinisation of seawater.

 

Like I said semantic as well as semitic problems.

I provide you with a definition of the term parasite and yet, for some peculiar reason you once again attempt to redefine a word to fit your rhetoric. That's the semantic problem you have.

Then ther is the fact of you not being able to offer a shred of evidence to support your claims of "organized jewry" controlling the US and salaciously blaming Israel for America's wars. That in small part is your semitic problem.

Funny, but last I noticed, virtually every nation in the world and every religion in the world set themselves up as being different. You should have a discussion with our young nationalist member or any of our theists.

It is also telling that when I merely apply your own unsubstantiated rhetorical accusations to Israel's opposition, you think I am confusing the issue. I guess you might also have a problem with reciprocal obviousness.

 

No.

I just think you feel if you can throw in enough red herrings, that people will stop taking about things like Israel's nukes and the treatment of the Palestinians.

Well done being wrong on everything.

 

Old Zionist propaganda a la "Joan Peters", debunked many times, but constantly regurgietad.

Israel is an aggressive semi-theocracy, built on stolen and ethnically cleansed land, which possesses stolen nuclear technologies and stolen WMD.

Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to join the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and constantly threatens to attack other countries with their illegal WMD.

This power cannot survive without the constant financial support of American and German taxpayers and the support of Israel Lobby.

 

The holocost industry must be worth a fortune to them all in. Not just the money and free submarines they winkle out of hard working Germans, but all in, everything.

Take that away, and there would be a bite sized chunk missing.

Take away the direct and indirect monies from the US and Germany, and there would be another massive chunk missing.

Operate with a new economic structure not based on lending invisible money at high rates of interest. Not looking so good for them now.

Implement immediate sanctions against Israel for being in violation of hundreds of UN Resolutions, impose the sorts of sanctions that they have conspired to have imposed against Iran.

They would be whining and wailing by tea time.