You Will Regret Your Abortion

Sure it was, just like the "Jewish Problem" was "addressed" by the "Final Solution".

 

Personhood! Now that's a completely different issue. It is disingenuous to suggest people do not acknowledge the growing development of the fetus as disingenuous as to pretend that a six week embryo is already a child.

If people did not recognise this gradual development most people who wanted a termination would not go for a very early one - by 8 weeks and countries would not set a ceiling on the time when termination can be done.

Well I am not from the US myself but we have a final ceiling for termination at 24 weeks as that is considered viability and that is only used in extreme occasions. Of course people are aware of the development of the fetus towards a baby. I think speaking of a six week embryo as a 'baby' or even 'child' is largely just a ploy of emotional blackmail. Look how it has now become a holocaust!

These emotional exaggerations make debate very difficult.

 

The US Supreme Court decision in Roe v Wade basically cut off abortions at the beginning of the third trimester because of the viability of the fetus. Only extreme cases where the health or life of the woman is in serious jeoprody are abortions allowed and there are very few of these in the United States.

Almost all abortions occur very early in the pregnancy in the United States. Some estimates put 90% of all abortions within the first 8 weeks but I'm not sure of that number. As noted historically there had never been laws that prohibited such abortions until the late 19th or early 20th Century and those laws were addressed in the Roe v Wade decision.

 

See now this goes against the initial ruling. They ruled that it was a private matter and that one can not deny the rights to her body. So why did they stop at when they thought personhood happened? It makes no sense. Viability has gotten better since 1973 and babies born prematurely have a lot better chance at life and making it at earlier gestational ages. Yet nothing has changed. The courts deny personhood and then they restrict a woman's rights to her body.

You have no clue as to how many late term abortions happen across this country. Of course you death lovers would say it does not. But as of late three huge late term abortion clinics have been exposed and shut down. How many do ya think happened just at these facilities? A few?

 

You are ridiculous. Man oh man…..

My niece was born at 23 1/2 weeks. She made it. And your country allows this to happen…whether you say it does not happen a lot…makes no difference …it is legal. That must upset you…right? Aren't you for abortion until natural birth? Don't you think this is a private issue that woman own the rights to their bodies and should choose..? So of course you would never tell a woman no matter how far along she was…she couldn't kill. I mean am I right?

And no your wrong…a lot of people do not know about fetal development. I work at shows and events and go to colleges and universities…and our kids are so stupid, lacking in education…they can't identify the 50 states let alone know what is happening in the womb at 18 weeks.

 

Ridiculous. Don't give the unborn personhood….but establish viability when? When is that magical date when the human in the womb is a person…when it is viable? When is it?

I bet if you got together with all your death-to-the-unborn loving friends…you could not come up with a time. Doctors can't even do it.

But viability does not matter…because if your pregnant in America….you can kill your child…someone will do it. Might take some travel and some cash….but it can be done. Go to my new thread the Abortionist and take a look at my last post…where I have actual abortionists talking and demonstrating how they performed late term abortions. One was testifying before the Courts…on unborns and pain.

 

You find stating the truth ridiculous. That is a very unusual point of view.

Obviously a lot of work did go in trying to keep kids 20-24 weeks alive but if I remember correctly this usually resulted in them going through a great deal of pain and then dying or surviving with great handicaps. I don't think most Dr's do now feel it is fair to do this to these babies. Indeed only about a year ago there was a woman who apparently lied about the age of her baby, saying I think it was 26 weeks to get treatment. 28 weeks has been considered 'viable' for donkeys years and still seems to be a reliable time. Most babies can survive with help after this time. We changed our time to 24 when Dr's were able to get some to survive. There was even talk of reducing it to 20.

You were indeed very lucky that your nieces baby survived in tact and there will always be exceptions.

I found the figures for late abortions in Scotland in 2005

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_termination_of_pregnancy

My guess is that the 1.6% over 18 weeks will be almost all for medical reasons.

I would find it strange if most people went for late abortion but I think we can see most people act responsibility. Most late abortions are for medical reasons. Obviously this is an extremely painful decision for the parents to take as usually they have been hoping for a child.

as I have made it perfectly clear that this is not the case this is just some kind of drunk sounding insult. It is so far from anything I have said and you now have had time to see what I said. Unlike yourself darling, I have never had an abortion and unlike yourself, I do understand that that is the best course of action for some people, most of whom clearly know so straight away and hence have it by 8 weeks or less gestation. Almost all the others have it between 9 and 14 weeks. They may need longer to come to the right decision for them and not giving them time could result in more people choosing abortion. I favour it as early as possible but because I think too early a closing could result in some feeling rushed into making a wrong decision when further time would allow them time to work things out, I think we need a balance on the time. I imagine it has not even occurred to you that women themselves will wish to deal with this asap after making the decision.

well you clearly did because you chose to have an abortion didn't you. How long did you wait? I have already said my opinion. Some women, rich and poor, uneducated and educated will always choose abortion. Given that the best solution for everyone is safe medical abortions which are usually done in the first weeks.

Not working in the field I have no ability to tell anyone I do not know personally what to do so no, as usual you are wrong. I do also have a tendency to allow people to make their own decisions. A person making a late choice will almost always be doing it for medical reasons or possibly some trauma.

With the internet everyone knows as much as they want. What I said was that people are well aware of the gradual development of a fetus into a baby. I assume you believe that everyone thinks it all happens at once.

so you believe you are superior to everyone else and everyone else is stupid. Why am I not surprised? It does not though make it so. You have yet to come to terms with your own abortion and take responsibility for it.

 

If our kids do not know minimal education such as basic history of their country, math skills and common sense...well. They're stupid and there's no 2 ways about it.

 

that's a pretty stupid thing to say to someone.

 

Not in this case.

 

not if it is true. It is pretty stupid just to say things are pretty stupid.

Churchmouse needs to deal with her own abortion rather than projecting all her angst on others. She had an abortion. She is in no position to abuse others as I have seen her frequently do. She lives in a Greenhouse and is throwing stones.

 

well yes. it is in this case. Perhaps one could say that pro-aborts have not come to terms with the fact that they are (*)(*)(*)(*)ed baby killers and will one day in the future, pay for it either with their own emotional stability or in the event there is an afterlife. Not sayin there is for ya, but there it is.

 

What or rather who are these "pro-aborts" you keep referring to??

 

I love this chart thanks for putting it on. And at 24 weeks…..a 50% survival rate…WOW. GREAT. THAT MEANS 50% SURVIVE. And you would want them aborted, isn't that sick? Now who would kill at this gestational age? YOU GUYS. Some here even want the killing to be up to full term.

Thanks for this chart….its great.

 

alexa said,

Well lets see. My niece did stay in the hospital for five months. She had countless brain bleeds…but survived them all. She has some minor vision problems…but overcame everything. It was tough…but worth it. And today she is a junior in college studying to be a doctor. She is perfect. You people believe that abortion should happen when she was born. How sad is that?

Donkeys?….Omosh…so hard to read your posts. Have you ever been in a neonatal unit?

It was my sisters baby…my niece. And yes we were lucky. Girls have a better chance than boys do…born this early. Did you look at the chart Bowerbird posted……50% survive at 24 weeks. So my dear its more than isolated.

yea? You have no clue why women do it then. Why is it so hard for you people to get it. Late term abortion goes on all over the country. Clinics are being exposed and closed down.

Why do you favor it as early as possible? Why? What difference does it make? What is the hurry?

It does not matter how far along I was…it was a living human child…it was mine. He/she had just as much right to live at one month as it would have had I been 7 months.

Sure you do. So do you condone abortion at 8 months? Do you allow the woman to decide to kill right before it would have come naturally? The reasons behind the abortion should not matter to you. It is a woman's choice, is it not?

No they are not. Most women do not know about fetal devoplment and don't want to know especially if they are thinking about abortion. The more they know…the more it might hurt. And like you the pro-abort crowd…its easier to look away.

Superior…no but more knowledgable about what the realities are and what is really going on. You just wouldn't believe it if I told you. You talk about safe abortion….there is no such thing. You say pregnancy is so dangerous…so are quite a few abortion mills. They do not even meet, nor do the providers minimum safety regulations.

I could give you over 100 clinics like this one.

http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/alabama-abortion-mill-to-close-down-rather-than-clean-up/

You don't hear about the bad cases of abortion…the ones that don't go well…the ones where the woman is injured, sterilized or have died. You think it does not happen? Mark Crutchers book names actual cases you can go read….of botched abortions. The reason you don't hear…the cases are settled so that no one on both sides finds out. What family wants their daughters name on the front pages…showing that she went for an abortion? And what doctor wants it on his/her record? So both sides settle…this happens all the time.

 

Why would I work daily in this field….if I had not come to terms with what I had done? LOL You just can't believe I am so vocal and outspoken against it. You would rather have me say…."gee guys the abortion was great…felt so good and relieved after it. And have not given it a second thought since having it."

I did suffer for years, it about destroyed my life. I know hundreds of women like me. You don't hear about them because not many women will admit to having one. I was sinking, dying…..I was suicidal…for years. It about destroyed my life. And that was not after I had it…it was over twenty some years later. That is how abortion hangs around and taunts women. And none of you know this. You can google….debate…whatever you want…but the reality is…if you have not had one…you know nothing about the feelings and affects of abortion.
I will say today….this has given me a passion…for women who have suffered…for people who have been devastated by abortion. It is also a way to share my faith in Christ who is responsible for saving me..and giving me a life full of joy and happiness. Do I regret the abortion I had…..your (*)(*)(*)(*) right. But Christ made me new…and I love and witness about this for Him. To God be the Glory.

 

That 50% survival rate is right near the beginning of the 3rd trimester, where most abortion isn't legal.

The survival rate was never the question with Roe V Wade. It was a good compromise....you guys got no 3rd trimester abortions, and if you live in the bible belt, none at all......and the pro choice crowd got legal 1st and 2nd trimester abortions.

But the new incarnantion of pro lifers has named compromise as a non option.

 

Some will, many won't - grief is intensely individual.

And I would suggest if you are investing THIS much emotion your grief has not resolved and in fact you are enhancing it which could lead to a dangerous spiral.

 

Who in Hell do you think you're kidding?

Not the issue. It is known that late term fetuses have shown signs of consciousness, yet we have no way of knowing that said consciousness is absent at any time after conception, wherefore it is reasonable and moral to base pertinent law on the assumption that the zygote is a human being.

Wrong on both counts.

I'm not here to debate this issue, because it is not debatable that elective abortion is murder. I'm here to testify to the fact that anyone who believes otherwise is deceived.

 

Oh! But I do. Google up "Bayliss and abortion" he operated in Brisbane not far from where I lived. You know what? Most of the nurses working a the nearby Women's hospital who had to deal with the botched abortions from this illegal clinic (abortion is illegal in Queensland) ended up wanting the law ENDED. We want laws to make abortion, if it must be done, a safe procedure.

There is no excuse for poor outcomes. What is inconsistent with your conspiracy theory based assertion that there is a "cover up" are the real world FACTS

a) many of the disorders that will causes sepsis in a botched abortion are mandated to be reported so those figures, if they were as glaring as you suggest, would show up on your CDC statistics
b) The women have to seek assistance elsewhere - that means other hospitals and other medical officers - and believe me there would be someone somewhere who should be reporting this to authorities, although I will admit that the Philadelphia case flummoxed me and shows how the poor in America seem not to be cared for
c) the outcomes are not just an wee infection. Botched abortions will lead to DEVASTATING sepsis and disability - it has to be seen to be believed. They can end as quad amputees. That means million dollar lawsuits - not something easily settled, unless of course you are too poor in which case................

And what is one of the main reasons for abortion - financial

So, your conspiracy theory has some weight if and only if the people are too poor to be cared for - the very people who actually would be looking for an abortion. So, is there a way out of this? Certainly not closing those few places that offer cheap safe contraception as well as abortion.

 

Get over yourself. You have destroyed your credibility so many times, there is no reason to believe your story is anything more than propaganda.

 

A young girl FORCED to have an abortion by her parents when she didn't want to is probably going to suffer afterwards.

But she shouldn't feel bad because its just a clump of cells. Okay.

 

Many here have stated that viability is around 24 weeks….so a doctor makes a mistake in calculating the due date…and ya kill a child that would have had a 50% chance. And abortions do happen around 24 weeks. Google late term abortion clinics and see what pops up.

http://www.abortion.com/abortion_clinics_late_term.php

http://latetermabortion.net/late_term_abortion_providers.html

 

Late term abortion are very rare, and account for around 1% of all abortions.