Young adults today: No school, no job, living at home with mom and dad

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We are very inventive beings.

    We'll think of something else to do. Besides, we are only at the beginning of the Information Age.

    I'm more worried about the country remaining so stoopid it keeps getting Donald Dorks as president. This ain't the democracy we deserve or an advanced nation needs.

    It's a plutocracy - so all bets are off ...
     
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    Sez the constitution.
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sez the dictionary:
    Democracy = a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

    If the shoe fits, wear it.

    (You wanna play with words, let's play with words ...)
     
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    And that is not what the constitution established. The United States are not a democracy.
     
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    I don't believe in such "world calamities". War has typically occurred because of a clash of beliefs. And when they did occur, they put a lot of people to work in the last century. But those clashes were of ideology, not economically.

    We humans almost always come out on top, when it's a contest with machines. We just go off an invent something else. (Robots, today and for far into the future, will not be terribly "inventive". Of course, I could get that one very wrong.)

    I can imagine farmers in the middle of the 19th century, when they saw their field-workers hive off to factories in the towns (for a better pay) think, "How the hell am I going plant, grow and bring in my crop now!".

    Well, industry found solutions (called plows and harvesters), such that manpower was not that much needed on the farms anymore.

    Nowadays, exactly the same phenomenon has happened to Manufacturing. The original Apple computers were made in the US, and nowadays the company makes the iPhone on highly sophisticated automated lines in China. Still, the phones have to be assembled by human beings. (And, if you want a sobering rendition of how that is done in China, then look here from the Guardian: Life and death in Appleā€™s forbidden city. Is that what we would want for American laborers?)

    Methinks not - and I for one will NOT be buying an iPhone "Made in China" ...
     
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    Nope. They failed.

    In a country where Tertiary Education is free, if they cannot obtain it along with its "credentials", then they fail ...
     
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    That's just it. In the US, you (plural) are fixated upon the notion of money - and the more the better. It is the singular most important demarcation of "achievement". But, smarter people see the world differently.

    Money should be a means of subsistence, but not one's "raison d'etre" - which is all the more reason that its distribution must be fair and equitable.

    Not equal but equitable ...

    "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" - money is not a need of itself but a means to satisfy needs. What are those needs? They are multiple and varied - some physiological others sociological - and the most important cannot be bought (with money).

    Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs :
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    Borrrrrinnnnggggg ...
     
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    Never did take a civics class, did you ...
     
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    The avoidance of unhappiness comes in our own modelling of happiness. If everyone in the family stays energetically filled with purpose, kids never learn that protracted unhappiness is an option. They learn that there are situational sadnesses (loss and disappointment), and frustration and anger etc, but not 'unhappiness'. And there is a world of difference.

    In a nutshell, unhappy parents breed unhappy children. And vice versa. Nothing we say will make them happy if we ourselves are living proof that unhappiness is a thing.
     
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    The constitution establishes a non-democratic system for the states to choose the president. Each state is given a number of electors equal to the number of representatives and senators. This is not democratic.

    Also, the constitution allows every state to have two senators, whether it's New Hampshire or California. Not very democratic.

    The United States are not a democracy.
     
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    Delete misread your post
     
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    We did in the USA what country did you take yours in?


    The US is not a democracy, never was.
     
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    I'm not in the US, but being 'fixated' upon money is a universal method of avoiding poverty.

    FTR, very few people actually like money for its own sake. 99.9% of those who appear to like it, like it purely for what it can get them. Even if that something is simply the peace that comes with being debt free.

    And by 'smarter', do you mean those who think poetry will keep a roof over their head?
     
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    Fixated on money means "fixated", that is, devoid of most other interests that are far more important within a social-context.

    Fixated means you don't give a damn about the social-construct in which you must live, but just your little part of it. And in a country which has egregious Income Disparity, then that means the world divides itself into the "haves" and "have nots".

    And most people think "well, that's the way the cookie crumbles!"

    Only if you want the cookie-to-crumble in that manner - meaning "I don't really give a damn because life is about me, me, me." (Until the day comes when the fit-hits-the-shan, and it is amazing how people turn their colours ...)
     
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    Get a dictionary ...
     
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    What does a dictionary have anything to do with it? How about getting a copy of the Constitution .


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    If you don't want to read the Constitution let's ask the late great (R.I.P) Ann Lander's



    Communism: You have two cows. Give both cows to the government, and they may give you some of the milk.

    Fascism: You have two cows. You give all of the milk to the government, and the government sells it.

    Nazism: You have two cows. The government shoots you and takes both cows.

    Anarchism: You have two cows. Keep both of the cows, shoot the government agent and steal another cow.

    Capitalism: You have two cows. Sell one cow and buy a bull.

    Surrealism: You have two giraffes. The government makes you take harmonica lessons.
     
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    The US is a democracy, just not a fair one.

    The Electoral College vote - from the get-go (ie. the Constitution) - was devised to give southern states a disproportionate say in the process of electing the PotUS. This disproportion was a key element necessary for particularly the southern states to sign-on to the document.

    The southern-states at the beginning of the 19th century were already concerned with the burgeoning dominance of the north in terms of population and "industry". The south was locked into a rural agricultural economy where slavery was a key cost-element. (Britain had made slavery illegal in 1807 and the south was scared witless that the US would do the same.)

    The Electoral College was also conceived because the "founding-fathers" knew full-well that most Americans at the time could neither read nor write. Many felt that therefore the "rabble could be manipulated", and the Electoral College was a buffer of "educated men" against that threat.

    All of these reasons are highly particular to a period of time that no longer exists in the US. The Electoral College has become not only an anachronism, but Donald Dork has proven how it can be manipulated to force a vote that contravenes a principal element of any democracy - which is the prevalence of the Popular Vote in selecting an Executive to govern the nation.
     
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    You do know with out the electoral college we would not have had the United States of America..it would be like Europe. Three or four separate country's..
     
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    The only thing that United us was the electoral college


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    Maybe (and hopefully) that's how it works in Your Family.

    I doubt seriously that's the manner in which the larger body of any population today in America actually "thinks".

    You might reply that such is a matter of "education". And I would agree wholeheartedly. But given what is happening on the BoobTube, I doubt our children today are getting any where near the education necessary to understand what their purpose in life is all about

    I know parents here in France that given the violence on TV (mostly in American films) they are so aghast at what children may view, that they restrict TV time (on-their-own) to two hours a day ...
     
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    The US would be like the rest of the world (that believes in True Democracy).

    It would help a lot to do away with both the Electoral College and Gerrymandering that have - since the 19th century - warped American Democracy.

    And what we have today is only the latest version of how that denouement has let rot our governance in LaLaLand on the Potomac ...
     
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    Bollocks.

    Who-the-hell is "Ann Landers" to say anything cogent about "democracy" ...
     
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