Republican positions have no basis in reality

I am just going to list their positions that are completely bogus so everyone can see for themselves.

Trickle down economics- is basically proven false as we just had many years of business having tons of money and tax cuts but none of it trickling down to the workers. It would only work is taxes were very high and that was the reason for lack of business investment as with the kennedy tax cuts.

Gay marriage destroys straight marriage- No evidence, in fact I don't think anyone has even attempted a study of this because it's so stupid, illogical and baseless.

Individuals are more important than society- this is entirely selfishness posing as morals.

Government spending prevents business from spending- another utterly baseless ideology with not even a fabricated attempt at a logical explanation.

People like living off unemployment instead of working- I have never known a single person who enjoyed being on unemployment, especially considering how little it pays. Maybe there are a few, but not many.

We must have constant growth- this is just another desire masqueraded as fact. if we didn't have population growth we wouldn't need economic growth and could focus on sustainability.

We have to have a gigantic military- Due to our geographic separation, large size, and large population there is no country in the world that could even attempt to invade us except maybe Russia, and they wouldn't do it because it would be suicide. We only need the Navy to fight pirates, and maybe the air force, but we don't have any need for an army any more other than unnecessary invasions.

Society can only function with religion- more bogus imaginary crap. Myself and a hell of a lot of other non religious people live good lives and are responsible members of society without having to follow bogus religions.

America is the only "free" country- Ever heard of Australia , New Zealand or Canada?

God wants America to rule the world- More self serving crap. If there was a god he wouldn't want one country to try to force it's will on all the others.

We must support Israel- More fantasy, Israel doesn't do a (*)(*)(*)(*) thing for us except make the Arabs want to attack us. If Israel wasn't there they would fight each other instead of us.


Well that's enough for now but I could go on with this for days. I think there is only one republican position that's logical, and that's that it doesn't make sense to pay government benefits to illegal immigrants. The rest is all crap.

 

I do think republicans could use a dose of logic. Their positions seem to be based entirely on emotion -- and negative emotion, at that. They hate everybody, or at least they seem to.

 

The Reality of Unfetterd Union Power, Forced Diversity & Open Borders ,Socialized Health Care, Loss of 2nd Amendment Rights,OverReaching Gay Rights & Rights for Pro Masculine (Gay) Minor Attracted practioners of an Alternative Lifestyle, tamping down of ALL religion except Islam, Californiaization & Balkanization & Polarization ...

 

All the more the reason why many republicans are not living in the real world. Misinformation and scare tactics are all they know.

 

Scare Tactics = Anti-Zionist Bigotry

 

Logic is hard to find on both sides of the political spectrum. Politics as a whole is illogical.

 

What the hell? Who said anything about Jews? We're talking about Republican ideology being illogical.

 

Supporting Israel is a part of Republican Ideology & Conservatism these days...

 

1) its not necessarily about trickle-down, more of our government is too big and blocking what should be a free market

2)I think the republican stance on this is idiotic. the best thing for them to say is let the states decide. that way they wouldnt have to technically support it, and it would also be legal per the 10th amendment

3)Again, a little off. I think its more about good individuals make a good society. And also- individuals are more important than government. there is a slight difference

4)Eh. I think our government spends WAY too much. It really just depends what the spending is on. In certain areas it really could hurt businesses. But if the spending is reasonable its really no effect. (current gov't. does NOT have reasonable spending!)

5)You are correct, there aren't many. But there are plenty. And that number grows. I have worked in many retail and food businesses and saw first hand how many people actually do use the system. The flaw I don't like is that welfare programs make the poor stuck. They become more dependent on others and it makes it much harder for them to be bumped up to middle class.

6)We DO have population growth, so economic growth needs at least some small growth to help sustain the population

7)I like the ron paul approach on military- a small, super elite force is much better than a massive army with mediocre training and weaponry. Generally alot cheaper too. we can be the strongest without being the biggest!

Ive never really heard a republican come right out and say this, but they do imply it often. I disagree. Everyone is entitled (or should be) to their own private liberties.

9)We are the leaders of freedom, or were at least. We are the only country in a position to spread freedom, not that we necessarily should. Although if a country asked for our help, i'd say lets go for it!

10)Again, ive never heard a republican say that... so lets just throw it out

11)That is a very poor outlook on Israel. They are a good people, and the only country especially in the middle east that is consistently our friend. It is good to have an ally in the middle east.

 

Politics as perceived by the voting public have very little basis in reality. The real machines of power grind on regardless of who is elected. Who is elected more effects the speed of change than it does its nature. Republican leaders want to slow down the loss of individual freedom and the reduction of US potency. The democratic leaders want to slow down the denigration of the general public. It doesn't take a lot of thinking to realize that all of these things are destined to pass.

 

None of those are republican beliefs. Maybe some people agree with some of them and i'm sure there are some democrats who believe in some of them. Its like you just thought up a bunch of crap and labeled it republican ideas to trash them.

I have many republican friends and we honestly never discuss a single one of those issues.

 

I'm in disagrement with two points:

Individuals are more important than society, or to better state it the will of the individual is more important than the will of society. Of course there is a limit; clearly murder, theft, rape, and a few other laws are completely necessary for any society. However simply because a majority wills something doesn't mean it should be law.

As for government spending affecting business spending, I haven't heard this. That said government spending requires taxes or loans. Taxes cost business money, which is then passed right over to the consumer, which raises product costs and can lower sales. This in turn means business has less money, thus spends less. Loans, the other option, can create inflation. This devalues the dollar, thus raising prices, well you see where I'm going. Government affects the economy as it has a major role in determining the value of the dollar and the cost of business (through taxes).

Other than that yes I seem to agree with what was said. End of the day the republicans want some (*)(*)(*)(*) that's straight out in left field. Military spending is insane and we can easily cut quiet a bit. We really don't need the two war strategy and we don't need to be the world police. The only nations I would not pull out of as soon as possible are Korea and Japan; Korea because there is a real threat there, thus adjusting to our forces leaving would be a valid concern, and Japan because they really don't have a military. They do, but from what I understand it's a small defense force. While I doubt anyone would attack, it's only proper to allow them time to swell their numbers/rework their system to allow for a larger military.

 

Many of those issues are brought up consistently on this forum by right wingers and back when I listened to right wing radio were continuously brought up there as well. The candidates are talking about this stuff as well. I really don't know how you can say these are not republican beliefs (the OPs list, I assume that's what you're talking about).

 

Some of those aren't even republican positions at all. Others you're not representing correctly. And in any case it seems you just want a strawman to hate instead of actually finding out what the other side thinks.

Let me know if you'd like to actually discuss these things. This business of people demonizing the other side and fighting against straw men without even understanding what the other sides position even is has turned into a pet peeve or mine.


If not I guess it's cool. Plenty of them would simply catagorize you as a Nazi for your "obvious" anti semitism and general fascism. So it sort of balances out in a horrible way.

 

True. But while the democrats can be criticized for trying to be too nice to everyone, the republicans seem to get their kicks by being as brutal as possible. They describe themselves as "the daddy party" as opposed to the democrats' "mommy party," but a father that treated their kids the way republicans treat everyone except for rich white males would be locked up for negligence at best -- more likely, serious abuse.

Who's in favor of eliminating the standards that keep our food clean? Republicans. Who's in favor of eliminating the standards that keep our air and water clean? Republicans. Who tries to abuse the working class at every step? Republicans. Who tries to put everyone in prison? Republicans.

I don't feel this way about conservatives, 'cause republicans are NOT conservatives. They're not liberals, either. They're just insane.

 

We are a nation of individuals, not a collective. Read the Constitution.

 

I don't know where you think most Republicans think like your saying. I sure don't think that way on most of them

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To have it work, you also have to make it business friendly. You don't do that with more rules and regulations, forcing expensive health care on them and forcing unions on companies when they are already fighting for their life with countries that pay next to nothing.

2.

A marriage is between a man and a woman. You can call it a partnership, union, or anything else you want, but it's not a marriage. It's been that way for thousands of years.

3.

I have never heard that said before. We have said that people need to be more responsible for their own actions and don't expect society to always bale you out because of stupid decisions you make.

4.

We believe to much government spending, hurts the average American. Government is wasteful, the more they spend, the more taxes they need, which takes away from it's citizens.

5.

We have said many would rather live off off welfare than work, not unemployment. Many have been doing it for years Case in point

http://hdavidbrown.posterous.com/welfare-26373

Even Pelosi encourages it.

http://www.breitbart.tv/pelosi-to-a...ur-job-taxpayers-will-cover-your-health-care/

She even considers unemployment benefits like jobs. Conservatives don't think that is what America needs or wants. They want real jobs.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/...nefits-will-make-a-difference-of-600000-jobs/

6.

But we do have constant population growth don't we?

7.

That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Where would we be in WWII when Japan and Germany declared war on us and Japan attacked us? What should we have done after 9/11, apologize to ben Laden for making him angry? Or are you ready to drop nuclear bombs on anyone who attacks our interest around the world?

8.

Yes, we have taken religion out of our lives and look what it's got us. Kids disrespecting their parents and school teachers, to the point they can no longer teach. School shootings that you never heard of until the mid 1960's and now happen every year, some times several times a year. A country where your lucky to find a kid or parent who isn't on or tried drugs. Nudit and filth in our movies, video games and even in our music. People living together unmarried and having kids out of wedlock. Even Ben Franklin, arguably an atheist, saw the benefits of religion. Unlike those of you today that would like to stamp it out.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=58

9.

Not the only free country. You must of got that from your neighbor. All Republicans don't think alike. Just because a few might think one way doesn't mean most do.

10.

Again, I don't know of anyone that feels that way. There might be some, but it's a small minority.

11.

On this one I have to agree with you. To many Republicans do believe we must support any action Israel takes. I don't believe that.

 

I don't think the OP understands conservative positions or has a grasp on reality making this thread pretty silly.

 

Republicans are not conservative!

 

/sadface...

 

The biggest problem the Blacks have today is to many unwed mothers. Yes, you need a Father in a family to be harder than the Mother. Democrats want to act like a friend instead of a parent. Kids need a parent first.Dems want to make people dependent on them instead of showing them how to make it on their own. Even though Republicans act tougher, it's been shown in two different surveys that Republicans give more of their money, time and blood than Democrats.

Democrats put down the rich and business. I don't know of one poor person that ever created a job or started up a factory. Do you?

No one is against clean air and water. But in times like this when the jobs are scarce, you don't come out with a bunch of rules and regulations that kill thousands of more jobs and drive even more business out of the country. Close down all the coal fired plants and you not only kill jobs, you put a lot more expense on the public. People are just trying to make ends meet now. Why is that so hard to understand? Although we need to do more to clean our air and water, it's cleaner now than it ever has been.

Abuse the working class? Democrats don't seem to realize it, but times have changed. Our economy hasn't been this bad since the Great Depression. What do Liberals want to do? Push unions on everyone so they can drive even more companies out of the country. Republicans aren't for big business. Liberals are richer than Conservatives. Republicans are for jobs. That is what will redistribute wealth and help the average American. It's the rich and business that create jobs, not the poor. But it's Liberals that are constantly attacking the rich and business. Making it harder to do business here.

 

Yeah, I'm just making stuff up and have no idea what I'm talking about obviously, even though I've been following politics for well over twenty years. This Romney guy and that W guy don't represent any republicans at all I suppose.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...reign-policy/2011/10/07/gIQABi4wSL_story.html

 

You may not be making it up, but you sure aren't giving the views of most Republicans.

 

Well, atleast you got this part right.