NJ Robber Dies After Trying to Steal Phone from Former HS Wrestler

Almost 99 % of all muggers and murders are blacks or Latinos. Just for Information.

 

Well, according to one of our other forum members, the perpetrator tried to kill one of the victims by putting him in a headlock. So right there is attempted murder, the type of perpetrator that the cops will actually take the time and the manpower to look for. They could have tracked the cell phone in order to find the perpetrator. But instead, we have a guy who decided to take the law into his own hands and choke a guy to death, instead of simply putting him into a sleeper hold to knock him out, he had to keep a death grip on the guy's neck until he died. That doesn't sound like justifiable homicide to me.

 

So this guy should have sat there and waited for the criminal to choke his friend to death, then told the cops to track him down using the cell - hoping that the cell wasn't sold right afterward?

 

I've taken Jiu Jitsu and had some amatuer MMA fights, and it's (*)(*)(*)(*) near impossible to kill someone with a headlock. It's a pain submission, not a choke. He was probably killed by some sort of choke, not a headlock. He should have let go when the guy was unconscious, instead, he probably held on for at least 30 seconds. That's murder.

 

wrestlers should be treated like military and martial arts men where their hands are considered deadly weapons.

the guy should be charged in the death of the thief because he held the choke on for too long, everyone who watches UFC knows you are suppose to stop after a few seconds or the brain gets starved of oxygen

it was vigalante justice

 

There is some truth to this. It takes a while for a choke to be fatal. If he let go after he choked him out, he wouldn't have been in danger. It takes a while after a guy is choked out for it to be fatal. He probably held on to the choke 30 seconds to 1 minute after the guy was out, and subsequently, 0 threat.

 

He could have simply pulled the guy off of his friend and left it at that, let the sucka run away with the phone and then track it down later. There are humane ways out of any given situation. This wasn't like a cop shooting an autistic kid that slashed him with a knife. Headlocks take time to kill; the guy could have let the perpetrator go. Instead he killed him with his bare hands. Sorry bud, but that's murder, no matter how you look at it.

 

I bet that the robber wasn't in a union though, so he gets what he deserves. It's why mob ties or pimp ties are critical. Get organized, or get lost.

 

i am impressed, will send a rep.

 

No, it is investigated by the police. They present their findings to the prosecutor's office. They in turn decide, if the law was violated, and if they could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a certain person committed a crime. Then, a judge decides if there is is enough evidence to bind a person over for trial, if the prosecutor authorized a charge in the first place.

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That's coming. The nation is deeply in debt, and the productive are tired of paying for the breeding of legions of unproductive, criminal, fatherless Democrat voters.

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You already have. Thank you, sir!

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If that's true, then the criminal used deadly force first.

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Absolutely so. And since the criminal attacked first an equal amount of force (headlock for headlock) was used in self defense and therefore there is no crime to be prosecuted (unless self defense is a crime to these leftists). Case closed!

 

I come from a family of wrestlers. My husband a coach for 20 some odd years. If the guy was truely a wrestler, he should of known what he was doing.
On the other side of the coin, (me as a liberal), still think that if a person is killed during the commission of a crime, oh well. Should not of been committing the crime.
Could be some criminals think it is worth the risk to commit crime. If they get away with it, they now have a free phone. If they don't, they get free room and board.

 

That depends. If the criminal used a legit headlock, and the wrestler responded with a choke, it is NOT the same. And even if the criminal was using a choke, he was still not a threat after being choked out.

I know the report says headlock, but what the wrestler used is likely a bulldog choke, which looks like a schoolyard headlock, but it's around the neck instead of the head. BIG difference.

 

One killed, the other didn't, how are they equal?

 

So if a criminal shoots me and misses, I'm not allowed to shoot and hit - since that would be unequal?

The criminal's attack was either less effective or was broken before it was lethal. The two attacks were equivalent and the criminal instigated the confrontation.

This should be ruled a suicide.

 

It's amusing how the liberals feel it would been better to let the criminal go so he could go on with his life of crime.

However, you libs are assuming that if the victim would have released the headlock, the criminal would have just run off. How do you know this? He had already acted with assault on one of the guys by putting him in a headlock. At that point, the victims would not have known if this robber was armed with any weapons, so they didn't let go.

 

His family should file a workers comp claim.

 

Does the article mention anything about a choke hold? How do you know the criminal didn't put the victim in a similar choke hold? After all, the victim's friend had to rescue him.

 

Yeah...right after the victim is found guilty of 'murder'....Is this still the United States?

 

Two people fire pistols at each other. One dies, the other doesn't. How is the amount of force used by the two men NOT equal?

Every one attacked is permitted under law to respond with an equal amount of force. If you swing at me I am perfectly within my rights to swing back. That your swing may not be as forceful or
effective as mine is of no concern to me or the law. I hope you agree.

 

All headlocks involve encircling the neck and throat by the person applying the hold. Otherwise they are ineffective. We do not know what sort of resistance or fight the criminal put up that would require extra force.

This is all speculation on your part.

 

That is because the liberals tend to run away when met with any kind of force or when they are caught doing something wrong and they believe that everyone will behave as they do.