Question About Illegal Immigration

Discussion in 'Immigration' started by Brock, Dec 25, 2011.

  1. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

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    It is too late now to be focusing on how to prevent undocumented immigrants from illegally entering. The focus now should be how to begin deportations as soon as possible, before they have children that are automatically given citizenship.
     
  2. danielpalos

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    It is never too late to use Capitalism in our economy instead of Socialism.
     
  3. onalandline

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    Well, we do have a President that believes in socialistic principles. You may get your wish if he is re-elected.

    I, however, believe in the rule of law, and following them.
     
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    How is enforcing our immigration laws a form of socialism?

    No plan would work without securing the border first.
     
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    Maybe somewhat true, but Hispanics out-number others by a significant amount, so they are more visible.
     
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    I agree. It is a significant, cumulative problem.
     
  7. danielpalos

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    Republicans are just as bad, only they usually claim they aren't really like that, afterward.

    If you believe in the rule of law, why not be more moral and advocate for solving our illegal problem on a permanent basis through Commerce that is well Regulated among the several States of the Union, simply to be moral enough to bear true witness to the excellent job our Founding Fathers did at the Convention, with our federal Constitution and supreme law of the land; and perhaps secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity, by being better Angels on Earth who have no need for the expense of Government?
     
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    Resorting to the coercive use of force of the State instead of Commerce that is well Regulated, should always be a sign, omen, and portent regarding that difference.

    We could be securing the border better with Commerce that would give those market participants more rational opportunity costs as choices.
     
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    Most politicians skirt the issue - too afraid of losing votes.

    The rest of your post is garbage, and has been repeated over and over again.

    For any problem to be dealt with, the source needs to be taken care of first - border security. Only then, can we move forward.

    The hemorrhaging at the border has to stop.
     
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    It wouldn't work. These folks are law-breakers. What makes you think they will follow your plan?
     
  11. danielpalos

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    What votes are there to lose, if they solve the problem? The rest of my post is a simple solution to our illegal problem, which can be solved on a permanent basis via Capitalism, instead of via Socialism, if only we could be moral enough to bear true witness to our own laws.

    Why don't you simply accept it as a self-evident truth in our objective market based reality, so I don't have to repeat myself, at all.
     
  12. danielpalos

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    I have more faith in Capitalism than you do.
     
  13. Mr_Truth

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    That may be true. Nonetheless, the law must be enforced on a uniform rather than selective basis. Therefore, if illegals are to be deported, then all (not just Hispanics), must be sent off. The government knows who they are. But it just won't trouble itself to do the same to European as opposed to Hispanic illegals.
     
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    What objection can there to be solving our illegal problem via Commerce instead of the expensive and coercive use of force of a State; and merely claim it is what supply side economics should be all about; better governance at lower prices?
     
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    Once again, protecting our borders is not Socialism.
     
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    Immigrants that follow our laws are trying to be a part of this capitalism, not illegals. There is a legal way to join the party.
     
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    Your plan is sketchy. You had better explain yourself in plain English, and don't repeat the same line.
     
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    The reason is because if you're an immigrant you would need more than 'just an I.D.'. You'd need to prove your immigration status. So if you have regular police officers checking people's immigration status...then whom are they checking? How are they deciding whom they check?
     
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    I would agree with you if it were only about protecting our borders, instead of the End being solving our illegal problem on a permanent basis. Our federal Congress is already delegated the power to Regulated forms of Commerce among the several States.
     
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    Why do you believe what you do? Capitalism only discriminates economically, not Socially since that would be Socialism.

    Why else would you believe that black markets can flourish whenever open markets are Prohibited from making a profit on that form of Commerce but Regulated well among the several States - why not simply let our elected representatives bear true witness to our own supreme law of the land?
     
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    Solving our illegal problem on a permanent basis via Commerce that is well Regulated among the several States of the Union could also function as that form of public sector "means of production" if it generates revenue to defray the cost of government.

    We could be lowering our tax burden and improving our standard of living and improving the efficiency of our economy, at the same time merely by bearing true witness to the excellent job our Founding Fathers ordained and established for us, and enumerated as our supreme law of the land.
     
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    http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html

    And this is what the USSC said and I think it is time for a reaffirmation of this.
     
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    I have an economic scenario that you are welcome to evaluate for any obvious errors:

    This potential public policy choice conforms to the theory of supply and demand like any good supply side paradigm should in order to engender the economic conditions which may be conducive to better governance at lower prices.

    The actual business model has already been proved, and is very simple for a public sector to emulate due to that "natural public sector monopoly" that may be created by government fiat; a market friendly work visa is one example.

    An analogy may be made to the amusement park sector and it's issuing "entry visas" for entry into that minimicro "republic" and the use of its "public goods and public services". It is not inconceivable that some "customers" may take the opportunity to apply for a job as well and try their luck in that "market". As in our political economy, there would be no guarantee of a job, but merely the opportunity to work legally in that "minimicro republic" upon gainful employment.

    Since rational choice theory should be relevant under any form of Capitalism, some price discrimination will be necessary to enable those rational choices; in this scenario, it will be the price difference between a work visa fee and work visa related fine. If the fine is significantly greater than the fee, then it may be rational to comply more with the requirements for a less expensive fee.

    In any case, revenue from those fees and those fines could be used to defray the cost of government and subsidize less efficient native US labor and help fund those social services.

    In that manner, we could be lowering our tax burden while improving the efficiency of our economy.
     
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    Not among foreign countries however.
     
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    Repeat post.
     

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