The Falklands - Who should own these godforsaken islands?

Stay focused. This totally misses the point. I repeat, you cannot simultaneously claim that you are British AND that you have the right of self-determination 8,000 miles away from Britain. These two things are mutually contradictory. If you cannot grasp that simple fact, then I cannot help you.

 

As I've s told you before , any negotiation will have to include the wishes of the Falkland Islanders.

You say :

I dont agree with your logic - but I can see why it should appear to be simple - to your simple mind. .

tatty-byeeee .


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Mate, its LOGIC. It's self-explanatory. I've already said that EVERYBODY has the right of self-determination applicable to THEIR nation state. I feel like tearing my hair out. Sit down, have a cup of tea and THINK. If another foreign state attacks my state I have the right in international law to fight the invader, thus defending my rights to self determination within my state.

 

There you go again - Simple Simon - trying to pass off complex matters which you cant understand /dont know what you're talking abt as "simple "



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BS -

Everyone has the right to self determination to the territory which they inhabit.

btw - Go ahead - pull your hair out - it might improve your capability to think clearly and perhaps even try putting yourself in the shoes of a Falklander . Would you prefer being governed by Argies or continue with the current elected self-government. ?

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You're not a very nice person. Argentina can drive up the premiums on insurance policies covering exploratory activities in the waters around the Falklands so that the premiums become prohibitively expensive under any cost/benefit analysis.

 

Does that include Israeli settlers on the West Bank of the Jordan?

 

Sorry, but the concept of self-determination as it disengenuously applies to the Falklander's IS simple and I've done my best to explain it. If you finally get around to grasping it, you will a) understand that the Falklander's claim to the Falklands based upon their 'rights to self-determination' are completely and utterly bogus and b) that the issue is being exploited by the British government for propaganda purposes.

 

Thank you Albert. The irony in all this, is that supporters of the Falklander's 'right to self-determination' are many of the same folks who are pro-Palestinian.

 

What's tha got to do with me not being "nice"

Insurance premiums are set by underwriters - such as Lloyds of London - + others in New York - Paris - Frankfurt - Hong Kong etc.


I doubt whether Buenos Aires carries much influence re premiums around Falklands - which is outside Argies terrirtorial waters. Argentina do nt have the same clout as China.


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As a Mexican in residence in the US , does this apply to you also?
Allah says that those who take in his name will be rewarded . Is this your hope ?

 

Israeli settlers are not properly analogous to the residents of the Falkland Islands as there are living Palestinians who have been forced from there homes to make way for them. There are no are no "native" Falkland Islanders" sitting on the coast of Argentina waiting to be returned to their homes.

Leave the Israeli setters there for another 150 years and yeah they will have a very strong calm to being the rightful owners of the land and their opinion will matter. ATM they are colonists.

And all of us have stated our abhorrence for colonialism...

 

That's not the the way risk managers with insurers look at the matter. They examine risk and quantify it. It's just business to them. It would be easy to destroy an offshore oil platform. Even the Argentines could do it, and then blame it on terrorists.

 

Nice try.....

 

There is no statute of limitations. Jeez, what kind of Irishman are you?

 

So Marlow, let's be clear about this. You are in favour of the right of self-determination of Israeli settlers in Palestine?

That is the logical extension of your position?

 

The paradox would cause their heads to explode if they understood the inconsistency.

 

Irishwoman...

The kind who's great-grandfather fought with the IRA in Cogadh na Saoirse.

The kind who actually lives here as opposed to the plastic paddies that litter these boards...

 

What a stupid comparison . there's an enormous DIFFERENCE

Israeli Jewish settlers are squatting on land stolen from Palestinians who inhabited the land before the Zionist Jews invasion. + ethnic cleansing . - Claiming that their god promised the land to them.

The Falklanders did not expell anyone + steal the land from anyone - it was uninhabited, nore are the Argies claiming the islands as god's promise.


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Indeed. Never underestimate the power of UK government and media propaganda.

 

There is no paradox as is explained above.

Ulster unionists have a right to self determination.

Yeah generations ago Irish people were disposed to make room for them but those people who live there now cannot be held accountable for the misdeeds of the great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfathers.

Falkland Islanders have been there for over 150 years. There is no one sitting in Argentina with a valid claim to an acre of them. No one who has been dispossessed or done out of their land.

The Israelis are still bulldozing Palestinian homes to make way for new settlements. They are the colonists.

And how, you while claiming to be "Irish", can condone Israeli settlers while denouncing the right of Ulster unionists to their homes is mind blowing.

 

Oh Colleen, it sounds like you lost your way. A pity it is.

 

Not at all it is completely in line with that of almost every irish person I know.

Self determination is a treasured principle of the Irish nation.

 

Within a very few years all Palestinians who ever lived in Israel during the 1948 war will be dead. According to your view that would make the actions of the Israelis legitimate ex post facto.

 

The British expelled the Argentines in 1832.