Unarmed Kid Murdered (Part 4)

There isn't a single witness who heard Zimmerman scream and there isn't a single witness who saw or heard Trayvon hit or hurt Zimmerman. Sanford PD are a bunch of freaking idiots.

 

Great point! That is often why I post links for special people like pacodon.

 

Not looking good for Zimmerman's affirmative defense.

 

He doesn't have an affirmative defense unless he has been charged.

 

True, very true.

 

After scrutinizing the SYG law it is obvious Zimmerman does not qualify for the SYG Statute. The conditions of how the altercation began disqualify him altogether and this is why:

The statute has a necessary component requiring the shooter to have a legal right to be in the location of the shooting. Just because this happened in open space it does not mean Zimmerman had the legal right to be in the location of interrogating Martin. I GUARANTEE Zimmerman's statement to the police will say he confronted Martin and ask him something like "Do you live here?" That action made his location unlawful because he invaded Martin's space without just cause and his call to the police proves he had intent to detain Martin until the police arrived. Even if people want to argue his call does not prove that it does not change the fact he confronted Martin. Since he did not meet the qualifications of SYG the cops should have arrested him so he could prove self defense in court.

Here is the key difference of SYG: the shooter does not need to prove he was in fear for his life. The older self defense laws required that evidence regardless of all cases. The new SYG statute presumes the shooter is already in fear but ALL conditions must be met.

Here is a another case of a shooting of an unarmed person:

http://www.ocala.com/article/20110212/ARTICLES/110219891?p=2&tc=pg

The article highlights the shooter was in a jeep and the person who got shot illegally entered the Jeep but if the shooter was outside in the parking lot presence of open space would have required him to prove he was in fear. But even if he was in the parking lot he did have a legal right to there and the SYG statute could have applied.

We know from Zimmerman's call he viewed Trayvon as a criminal so his intentions and reasons for confronting him are not justifiable under the law. Citizens do not have a legal right to confront other citizens and demand to know personal information. In fact the law gives people a protected personal space to avoid harassment and other concerns. Zimmerman acting as neighborhood watch does not give him authority above other civilians and it certainly does not diminish others' Civil Rights.

 

Nowhere else have I read that this kid stated that a man had on a red shirt, I saw a white shirt. Please show us where any reports stated that Zimmerman had on a red shirt. As a matter of fact I goggled it and only in this article which was from the father do we see this.

 

The SYG law is an affirmative defense but the difference is the presumption of fear. The old law always required the shooter to prove fear but under the SYG law fear does not need to be proven if all conditions are satisfied. All the person has to say is it was self defense out of fear. Doesnt matter if it is true or not.

 

The same as before. Some people use their racism to convict Zimmerman before all the facts are known then call others racist because they wont support the same racist conclusions. It is truly pathetic and perfectly describes liberalism.

 

LOL The kid wasn't shot in the back.

EPIC FAIL

 

Face facts
No one saw what started the fight and no one saw the fight itself.

You use your own racism to fill in the gaps.

 

Show me one time I have made a claim of fact and not supported it.

Your charges my view is based on racism is utterly ignorant and dishonest. Do you know why? Probably not so let me help. Take away the fact Trayvon was an African American. For now, let's say he is white. How does that change my conclusion on Zimmerman murdering him?

 

LOL Easily.

Try to pay attention this time:


YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT STARTED THE FIGHT WHO STARTED THE FIGHT OR WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE FIGHT.

How many times must this be repeated before you admit the truth?

Because you specifically stated the reason the kid is dead was because he was black and Zimmerman is white.

That is a racist statement. Deny it to yourself if you must but no one here is fooled for a second.

 

My position does not require to know who threw the first punch. In fact I have repeatedly stated it does not matter who threw the first punch. But keep on making false accusations of racism.

Here's a quick question. If you hate racism so much why dont you ever criticize the openly racist comments on this subject? The problem with pretending to care about racism is being able to prove it. Do us a favor and stop pretending you give a rat's ass about racism.

 

I think the thing which set this incident on fire in the first place was the fact that Zimmerman was inaccurately reported as being white. Even AFTER it was proven that he was not white, some media outlets were still reporting that he was, and there were posters here at PF who kept insisting that he was white.

A racist white man killing an innocent black kid inside of a gated community was simply to good for some to let go.

 

Some food for thought on the events of this case.

 

Yes. .actually I find it surprising that ANYONE was in a shirt. . .as it was raining!

And. . .the kid said he DIDN'T know who was crying for help!

 

Like I said, it doesn't matter who started the fight.

You accuse me of racism but you ignore the fact that after Zimmerman described Trayvon as a black male he called him an (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and said they always get away. His racial profiling is on a phone recording and you ignore that fact?

Here, you can also ignore the fact Zimmerman told neighbors to be on the lookout for..........young......black......males:

"Licensed to carry a firearm and a student of criminal justice, Zimmerman went door-to-door asking residents to be on the lookout, specifically referring to young black men who appeared to be outsiders, and warned that some were caught lurking, neighbors said. The self-appointed captain of the neighborhood watch program is credited with cracking some crimes, and thwarting others."
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/17/2700249/shooter-of-trayvon-martin-a-habitual.html

Remind us, was Trayvon a young black male?

 

What makes him not white? Even if you argue he isn't white it doesn't change the fact he profiled young black males before he murdered Trayvon and it doesn't change the fact he profiled Trayvon with his own mouth.

 

Your insensitivity is overwhelming.

I don't care if the kid was Black, or White, or Asian, or Brown. . .

What I find inexcusable is that a 17 year old boy who was coming home to a GATED community with a can of ice tea and a bag of skittles got pursued and shot by a 28 year old man (of any color), with a history of violence, with NO security training, who DISOBEYED the order of the police to STAY IN HIS CAR. . .and that this man was NOT charge with anything!

This is revolting. A child is dead. . . and the man responsible doesn't have to answer to anyone?

Not in the world I live!

 

He's Hispanic. Most MSM sources include this now.

It's also been reasonably demonstrated that he's not racist.

 

Really, how has this been demonstrated?

 

Only in America are hispanic considered "not White!"

Do you consider Italians White? Yet. . .they are the original "Latino!"

So silly!

And, yes. . .I would ALSO like some facts or a dependable link that declares taht he has "reasonably demonstrated that he's not racist!"

 

If it comes out he's here illegally, his conservative defenders are gonna poop kittens.