Who's for Gun Control?

These brave gun owners must know martial arts moves, for when they may lose their gun in a heated battle.

 

Not arguing with that but the bloody idiotic myths they spread about guns tend to spread faster than nits in a class of long haired toddlers. We have our teens repeating this rubbish - fortunately most Aussies outgrow/out think the idiocy

 

So far only seeing "Gun Owners/Gun Rights People are idiots." for an argument against the Right for People to carry... What's the issue with people having weapons? Are you simply afraid of them because you're afraid of guns or was it a close incident with a firearm that has led you to dislike weapons and now you're trying "force" others from having that right.

 

You're an island at the bottom of the world. It's probably hard to ship guns in and out. The US not only makes guns, but also has a non-existent southern border,and through Alaska etc. Gun control is absolutely unrealistic.

Do you honestly think that the majority of gun deaths are at the hand of someone's registered weapon? Do you think people are shooting up legal heroin, too? How about snorting legal cocaine? The same way people get highly controlled narcotics is the same way people get unregistered guns.

Like I'm glad for you that people don't have access to illegal guns down there in the shire but in the US most crimes using weapons are committed using weapons that are purchased illegally. This has nothing to do with the NRA. The NRA promotes gun manufacturers in the US, not weapons that have Cyrillic written on the side and contribute to Russia's economy.

 

...what about nuclear weapons... we have to draw the line somewhere

 

Which is where i plagerised this comment, from the celebrated american comedian Mr Dennis Leary "Why can't i own nuclear bombs in my basement, i pay my taxes!"

 

I realize that in the world of hobbits and ents you don't see a lot of illegal gun trafficking, so here's a story that pretty much sums it up:

http://www.havocscope.com/arms-trafficking/

And lest you think we're alone in having AK-toting criminals, how about France?

http://www.france24.com/en/20110829-france-gueant-government-targets-marseille-ak47-kalashnikov-wielding-gangsters

 

if everyone carried around a machine gun... then I would be worried

 

yep, the line has to be drawn somewhere

 

That's a fallacious argument, solely for the purpose of being funny. How's this one? Why can't you just let people kill you like they do in other countries? They pay taxes, too.

 

Go to Switzerland... A European Country were avg weapon supply for the general populace of eight million is around three million. Militiamen carry their fully automatic rifles right in public and they even go grocery shopping with them. Criminals/Tyrants get their power from a weak population (Unarmed) and take advantage. Why unarm yourself or others to the possible threats? This isn't an aggressive stance but, rather a defensive one. If there were no criminals, hostile governments and psychopaths I may have taken your stance on gun laws but, they still exist.

 

Many on this forum including myself, live in nations where gun control is part and parcel of every day life.

Now i see no need, of logging onto forums and pretending to be Rambo. If silliness happens, i let the police sort it out. Although i do wonder, at the violence so many talk of in their places of the world. If it is true, i feel sympathy for them.

 

And here you go again making the assumption that everyone in the United States which is not your country is a would be Rambo. There are people in poor areas who use guns to hunt for deer. There are people in inner cities who want to be the next Scarface. There are women who just don't want to be raped. There is not one "type" of person who owns weapons.

Just like drugs, in places like New York where they are heavily restricted you see a highly armed criminal populace.

If people weren't letting the police sort it out then when crime takes place people would be jumping in vigilante style and shooting the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of criminals.

Personally, I don't understand why people in other countries feel the need to weigh in on what Americans are doing. I certainly don't care what laws Germans make or don't make. It's like foreigners feel the need to be the busybody old lady down the street who peeks through the blind and complains about crazy teenagers.

 

Well, americans on this forum paint a horrific picture of violence in their part of the world. I question, how true it is. Or inflated for forum chat purposes.

 

There is violence, yes, but it's not like we're walking around with shootouts every time we step out of the door for Christ's sake. Most of the time it's pretty darn good in the US.

 

If it is that good, why all the talk on gun silliness?

It is interesting for vague forum chats, but i would not like to live in that enviroment.

 

This whole reason, (excuse,) to own a absurdly powerful weapon revolves around a delusional fantasy!

Did it ever cross your mind that no matter how big or deadly a gun you own the other guns will also have one like it or maybe even bigger and more efficient?

This is a vicious circle based on a supposition going no where.
In the end it always depends on who gets the drop on the other guy, so even if you are armed with the most efficient Uzi on the market, if a guy with a pea-shooter catches you before you ever even get the chance to use it, it won’t save anyone.

Unless you are a hard core bad guy who is already planning to just shoot someone on sight, you have already lost the fight.

What an exercise in idiocy.

 

If you really want to reduce gun violence in the USA and around the world just end the war on drugs. The prohibition caused a rise in gun violence and in the end it failed. As good and wholesome as it sounds to god fearing folks to 'save' folks from the evil sins and all around bad behavior from alcohol consumption by turning to the government to protect them, it failed. In a free market society like ours, supply and demand will be met.

The government has failed to reduce drug usage since starting the war. All it has done is put innocent children in jail, slapped a heavy burden on us tax payers, grow the government and Create more long term spending. IT would be one thing if the war actually was working but it’s not. Every major community is saturated with drugs. Even the Amish communities have drug problems. The so called war is a complete Failure and like the prohibition against alcohol it will eventual end one way or another.

When it ends so will drug violence, especially among intercity kids who most never get reported on even in the state level.

I don’t expect foreigners to understand why Americans are willing to pay a high price for firearms. I mean there is a reason that very little gun control actually passes into law. The American populous is saturated with firearms just like drugs and there would be a huge black market for firearms. IT would have to be a police state to attempt and prevent the manufacturing, marketing and distributions of firearms. IT would be a disaster. Its estimated there are enough firearms in our great country for every man, women and child. If it came down to an attempt by the government to ban firearms it would fail.
The fight against government or a “centralized power” enslaving its people through dependency is something very American and one that I suspect most Europeans will never understand. But that is not really what gun ownership is about in America today. ITs about the free market and money! Either in itself as a commodity or as a tool that can be used to control the free market and money. Get rid of the drug war and treat drug addiction as a medical issue and REAL criminals as …criminals. That would end a major black market item that guns are used as a tool to control . Gun violence would plummet.
People just need to wake up and use some common sense. Realize that though illegal your child still has access to a readily available supply of drugs. So the purpose of the war on drugs is not meeting its goal.
Do you always pay for service that fails?
Wake up!

 

I'm in favor of handguns and hunting rifles. Opposed to Barrett .50s, howitzers, mortars, Claymores, AKs, RPGs and IEDs in the hands of citizens. So I guess you can say I'm in favor of gun control.

 

True, most gun violence in the US is drug related.

 

If I have an intruder in my house at 2am.. he is a dead man.. or I am. In my house my teenagers and wife make sure they announce themselves when they are arriving unexpectedly at off hours. I dont need a gun to kill a person. Next to both handguns in my home there is a six inch solid tanged Bowie, I am not trying to act like an internet tough guy but I take home security VERY seriously. Its not the value of property that motivates my.. its the people in my house that I value enough to kill for.

The preperations and foresight I put into how my home operates has prevented even a single accidental discharge from the many loaded firearms in my home in the past 20 years. Everybody in my family hs been educated on proper gun saftey and can operate every weapon in my house proficiently. I am a responsible gun owner. If I can do it there is no reason anybody else cant do it.

Responsibility is not something that should be legislated, when it comes to firearms the lack of it should be prosecuted.

 

I am curious, why all that protection is needed. Do you mind if i ask?. If your neighboured or area is that criminally violent?

Is it a real possibility of robbery on a continued basis. Why the need for all those guns.

 

Robbery is a real possibility anywhere, anytime, and if you think otherwise, you are just fooling yourself.

 

Of course, if you worry about such things.

I am curious if it is a regulary thing to have such overwhelming protection.

 

It "sounds" unfettered to you? How cute...