"Racism" is a negitive reaction to behavior, not skin color

Obviously as a minority member.....you have great difficulty accepting the science behind genetics, i.q. tests etc. because your particular minority no doubt consistently scores poorly on i.q. tests.

Let me just say this.........................not everyone in the world can be a 'einstein' or a phd., or a lawyer, or a doctor or a scientist or anything else that requires a high intelligence level.

If everyone was a 'einstein' the world could not function.......................so nature in her wisdom has selected or differentiated in the manner intelligence is handed out.

For society to function there has to be a division of labor...................in other words there must be some people available for manual labor and or the low paying jobs no one wants to do.

Also.....people with high intelligence may achieve more recognition or prominence in life but that does not mean they are happier or more content.....many extremely intelligent people have very serious problems adjusting to life....they feel different...left out of the normal social intercourse in life because they are often socially awkward or inadequate...

The forces of political correctness despite all scientific evidence want to denigrate i.q. tests and even the fact that everyone does not have equal intelligence or capability....the influence of the pc liberal crowd on our social policies thus results in our flawed social policies which due to politics are based on the fallacious theory that all people are equal in every respect--not just before the law as the constitution meant.....a good illustration was the public school policy of 'no child left behind'---that program based on the false idea that disadvantaged or low i.q. children could be brought up to a equal academic footing with children that have higher i.q.'s.

When it did not work---they tried to blame the teachers....like it was the teachers fault............................when the reality is ----not all children are capable of academic success.

Thus the pc crowd needs to back off and learn to realize that children with low i.q.'s should not be pressured or forced to try and do something they are incapable of.

What the public schools need to do is to identify those children with low i.q.'s and then put them into classes that teach mechanical skills, carpentry, plumbing etc. at whatever level they are capable of learning.....then these kids would not have to drop out and be losers all their lives---they would learn skills that would help them be productive members of society.......we as a society need to re-learn what we once knew....anyone doing honest work is to be valued as a citizen and as a person.

Our schools and the media are doing a great harm to society by trying to blame racism for all the poverty and crime that exsists.

What the schools need to be teaching in their social studies departments is the value of work and that not everyone can live in a mansion on the hill.................we put to much emphasis on equating 'success and happiness' with material wealth.

 

I'd tend to agree. Especially given that what are called Standardized intelligence tests are really measure of educational acheivement. Which by the way is a really ineffective way to assess the intelligence of some one who lives in a subculture in which being an A student can get you beaten or raped and the least offensive term you will be called is an oreo.

 

It is really sinister-racism, to suggest that one race is THAT different from another.

Most important fact is that we are all HUMAN.

 

It's all some folks got (or think they have). Like the guy who's never been on a football field in his life claiming he's better than his neighbor, because 'his' team won the superbowl (this year). Wearing that teams shirt doesn't make their accomplishments your own. Having the same skin color as Einstein -- same thing.​

 

You SO NAILED IT!!! Bravo!!

 

All seem to agree that IQ is largely immune to training.

There is a debate about whether observed racial differences are due to genetics (as all agree within race differences are due to) or "societal discrimination" (I put it in quotes as the exact nature of this discrimination has never been made clear).

Read the WP articles on IQ and Race and Intelligence, the best current research is cited.

Personally I think genetics is the best explanation. "Discrimination" could manifest in several ways, such poor quality food, employment discrimination, etc. But a "many factors" explanation is unlikely. High SES blacks for example are certainly not malnourished, but we see the same gap, so are they "acting to white stereotypes", while low SES blacks are "malnourished"?

Environment only theory is a patchwork of ad hoc variables.

Genetics has been shown to be the main cause of within race IQ differences. It's highly polygenic and they have named specific genes, all of which have a small effect size. Cite. Since the races have evolved largely separately for the last 100,000 years, it is entirely plausible, in fact almost certain, that there will be cognitive differences. Cite.

All of these facts together make genetics the most likely explanation for the race IQ gap. I would not be surprised if it explained 100% of the difference.

 

Well, i dont really want to argue about this in this thread anymore. Maybe another time, better situation. However i do have a question i'd like to see you answer. Is general I.Q based on the race or the parent? And further more could not someones perception be altered to veiw the cognitive skills better? A.K.A Taught to view the subjects with higher logical skill and focus?

 

Nonsense. Just assume, for one moment, we are correct. The "racists" are correct that there are genetic behaviour differences, and government policy assumes we are equal and transfers wealth from successful groups to continually failing racial groups, such that the successful groups are slowly wiped out. Would that not be a major problem for humanity? No need to personalise it, this issue has wider implications for anyone concerned about humanity.

 

The problem is the simplistic view that 'race' is a predictor of genetic potential. It's not. Any genetic factors that might contribute to some type of violence or some flavor of intelligence are neither confined to nor universal in any group we arbitrarily call a race. You want to really start practicing eugenics and start prioritizing certain gene combinations? The lines won't be drawn along skin color.​

 

It isn't "nonsense" what he said, considering the context.

Fact is, we have racists (throughout the world) and some right here in this forum, applying their "facts" in such a manner as to DISTORT reality.

Racists are like those creature in "Aliens", "The Borg" (Star Trek), "The Terminator"... they do a certain THING, and any tool you hand a "racist", is likely misused by them. They are about destruction and evil; if that isn't clear enough, maybe we should dig up facts and start talking historically (even in this modern time) about what racists and their racism has caused.

I cannot see how racism hasn't been as destructive as WAR itself. I'm certain the roots of a few wars were fertilized with the same.

The "nonsense" is the racism. FOOLS embrace and nurture racism; they sabotage their very own well-being and that of future generations, by preserving a poison, a virus which infects the world.

It's sad... we have STUPID HUMANS in a world that gets itself riled-up over "homosexuality", "abortion" and other things listed under "religion"... yet so many ESPECIALLY CHRISTIANS (in America) don't see fit to SWAT DOWN racist notions and actions. They practically WINK at racism, and go on thinking "Jesus" has not seen that EVIL.

In truth, I say that all these forum geniuses who want take issues of IQ and thrust it in with a topic on "racism", aren't doing anything by imagining they are CLEVER and SUBTLE. But they are mistaken, sadly so. They are as transparent as the air between my PC monitor and my eyes.

Stop this NONSENSE!! And folks, please STOP tolerating racism (start with yourselves, if the shoe fits). It is DESTRUCTIVE; it wastes this nation's time, resources, and money.

Do people REALLY believe that falsely elevating their own little group, is somehow a true benefit?!! I just wonder why idiots BLINDED by their own racist perceptions of reality, cannot see that they are BLOWING HOLES IN THEIR OWN FEET (or their children's or grand kid's as well). The EVIL, IGNORANCE and DISGUSTING STUPIDITY of it all, is something I find to be infuriating.

I promise to tolerate racism LESS from here on. (Bet on that.)

 

Since you are such an expert on this ......please explain to the board what is is the definition of 'human'?

 

You misunderstand what a i.q. test does: It d'oes not measure what you have gained....it measures what you innately have.

You are confusing 'education' with 'I.Q.'---I posted a long article on what a i.q. test measures...you should read or re-read that. Thank you

 

It tries to.​

 

Your pc stance reminds me of how the Roman Catholic Church hindered Science in the middle ages. In fact pc ideology is a religion and you are one of its most fanatical members....completely indoctrinated to the point where you would like to shut down any discussion that does not agree with your religion....that is the essence of bigotry...pc bigotry.

 

No. Stop promoting racist notions.

 

If you promote what I think is racist on this forum, I'll oppose it. If you have a problem with the Catholic Church... take it up with them.

 

There is nothing wrong with right here and right now....this situation we have is as good as any you may find anywhere on any message board. The fact is you simply feel you are losing the argument and want to opt out....which is your privelege--but please attempt to retain some intellectual honesty and admit .......this whole discussion makes you very uncomfortable because it does not fit into your pc mindset.

Also...you keep asking questions but ignore my questions....irregardless--intelligence does not come just from the parents.....it comes from genes that are handed down over the generations.....i.e. parents may have one kid is dumb but his brother may be a genius....you
are having great difficulty understanding this because you have never studied genetics.

Race is the result of genetics......race does not cause anything.....hope you can understand that. But I think your lack of knowledge of genetics hampers your ability to understand much of what is being discussed. Genetics is a very complex subject....but even the layman can understand much of it if you research and study up on the topic.

Also this may make you feel better---about l5% of African Americans are of suerior intelligence. Which refutes your perception that race determines intelligence.

Also.....much more needs to be done in the field of genetical studies to fully understand how genes determine intelligence....unfortunately political correctness inhibits and restricts the field of genetical science and research because the politically corrrect have an irrational fear of what might be discovered.



Regarding I.Q. and whether or not one's i.q. can be significantly raised.....I have posted articles on that very question already....yet you keep persisting with the same question.

Once again....the best scientific evidence is that some things may enhance your i.q. score by 3 or 4 points....things such as getting adequate sleep before the test, good nutrition, practicing taking tests, and other things that might exercise the mind...makes you sharper temporarily but the long term effect on ones i. q. is of no significant value. Your i.q. therefore basically is what you are born with....but also remember....people being people often do not use what they are born with....i.e. through laziness etc.

So to sum up let me say this: No one should fear genetics or attempt to sabotage further research.....the field of genetics holds great promise....to restrict or hinder the genetical scientists based on pc ideology is very foolish.

Becaue it is possible that one day such science may discover exactly how science can actually help improve the intelligence of all humans.

 

Do not think you are fooling anyone....I cite the position of the Catholic Church on science in the middle ages and you attempt to use that to claim I have a problem with the Catholic Church. Puhleeeezeeee try and at least be intellectually honest.

 

Conservative or liberal? It may be in the genes
Researchers are trying to prove that social attitudes can be inherited


LINCOLN, Neb. — Politics may not be in the blood, but it could be in the genes.

That’s the theory a team of political scientists and geneticists is trying to prove with extensive studies of twins, genes and brain scans.

“I perfectly understand that some people are skeptical,” said John R. Hibbing, a political science professor at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln who is involved in the research.

The idea goes back more than 2000 years, said John Alford, associate professor of political science at Rice University, who is working with Hibbing.

In 350 B.C., Aristotle wrote, “Man is by nature a political animal.”

Now, Alford said, scientists are trying to improve on that.

Genetic researchers are trying to prove that social attitudes can be inherited, and have discovered strong correlations between the two.

.So far, the political connection has relied on studies by Lindon Eaves, professor of human genetics and psychiatry at Virginia Commonwealth University. About 8,000 sets of identical and fraternal twins answered a series of questions on topics such as school prayer, nuclear power, women’s liberation and the death penalty.

Identical twins, who share their entire genetic code, answered more similarly than fraternal twins, who are no more similar than non-twin siblings.

If you assume that both identical and fraternal twins share an environment, then the disparity between the results must be genetic, Hibbing and colleagues conclude.


Some scientists, however, are not ready to embrace the theory.

“The very idea that something like a political ideology could be heritable is incoherent,” said

Evan Charney, assistant professor of public policy and political science at Duke University. “It doesn’t make any sense, and it’s historically inaccurate.”

Any similarities found in twins’ political beliefs can be attributed to environment, not genetics, Charney said.

Charney’s paper “Genes and Ideologies,” written to argue many of Hibbing and Alford’s claims, is being considered for publication by the Review of Politics, Charney said. He recently presented the work to the American Political Science Association.

“I have not proved that environment has caused this, but neither have they proved that genes have caused this,” Charney said.

And environment, he said, is a far more plausible explanation.

Hibbing agrees his research isn’t definitive.

“No specific (genes) have been connected to political traits,” Hibbing said. “That is our group’s main goal.”

.But social scientists typically dismiss genetic influence, and that’s a mistake, he said.

The next step, Hibbing said, includes scans to observe the brain in action as subjects answer questions on political topics. That work is in progress at Baylor Medical Center in Houston, in collaboration with Rice University and Alford.

Next month, members of the team travel to Australia to work with Nick Martin, who is investigating the pattern of disease in families, including twins, at Queensland Institute for Medical Research in Brisbane. His research could provide important clues for Hibbing and Alford’s hypothesis.

The goal is to persuade people to accept that political views aren’t just random opinions thrown together by a combination of environmental influences.

“We can’t just fall for the fairy tale that all people are genetically identical,” Hibbing said.

“Willful ignorance is unforgivable.”

 

The Non-politically Correct Genetics Wiki
Posted on June 6, 2012 by conservativejock
Being an individual trained in the sciences I often regurgitate when seeing the heavy hand of liberal politics affecting the sciences and scientific research. This is the product of a battle I first saw as an undergrad, where the folks over in the School of Sociology, first proposed their review of all scientific research findings prior to publication — with the right to edit. Apparently the folks over in Sociology felt facts would warp the minds of many people, most especially those under control of liberal politicians. “To hell with fact,” was their motto. “Let’s ensure political (liberal) correctness in research.”

From those days when “political correctness” was being formed, the concept has since matured. Today, not only are SAT, ACT, and IQ scores “formed” so as all races elicit similar results upon examination — after all each individual is an equal in regards to anticipated outcome — but research must cow-to in similar fashion.

So, I have begun a process today directing my people spread across the globe in various research and production roles to build a new GeneticsWiki that is not and never will be filtered by Sociologist and Liberal Policy hacks. Stay tuned. I’ll post the URL when she is running.

 

The Non-politically Correct Genetics Wiki
Posted on June 6, 2012 by conservativejock
Being an individual trained in the sciences I often regurgitate when seeing the heavy hand of liberal politics affecting the sciences and scientific research. This is the product of a battle I first saw as an undergrad, where the folks over in the School of Sociology, first proposed their review of all scientific research findings prior to publication — with the right to edit. Apparently the folks over in Sociology felt facts would warp the minds of many people, most especially those under control of liberal politicians. “To hell with fact,” was their motto. “Let’s ensure political (liberal) correctness in research.”

From those days when “political correctness” was being formed, the concept has since matured. Today, not only are SAT, ACT, and IQ scores “formed” so as all races elicit similar results upon examination — after all each individual is an equal in regards to anticipated outcome — but research must cow-to in similar fashion.

So, I have begun a process today directing my people spread across the globe in various research and production roles to build a new GeneticsWiki that is not and never will be filtered by Sociologist and Liberal Policy hacks. Stay tuned. I’ll post the URL when she is running.

 

Lol. So now politics are genetic. That's hilarious.

 

You do understand that "equality" also makes a genetic claim, one for which there was never any evidence? I do not find it "hilarious".

 

Nope. Equal partners in a contract receiving equal treatment is not about genetics. Our constitution doesn't promise we will be equal, just treated equally by the law.​