Savages destroying historical buildings!!

Send an invading army into a country with tanks and bombs to preserve a building? I appreciate historical buildings as much as anyone, but what a monstrous idea. As though governments don't have enough lame excuses to go to war as it is? Should they also send troops into western countries every time they tear down an old monument to build some modernist monstrosity? Or is it only so bad when Muslims do it?

How many children do you think would die in a war to defend some old towers?

 

Old Yeller?

 

In search for a better name yes, UNESCO troops

I was probably at ma grandma playing with some toys out in the garden. But I wold have supported military action to preserve whatever UNESCO site they destroyed, the buddha statues was it?

And yes, it's the white man's(or rich and civilized people's) burden to protect UNESCO sites from the local populace if said population is stupid enough to want to destroy them.

 

It doesn't have to be military action though, obvioulsy diplomacy would be tried first.

No it's bad when anyone tries to do it, it just happens to be that the people who try the most is currently muslims. I bet the africans would try if they could but they don't have anything of import down there

 

It shouldn't be an option on the table. It should be so far off the table it should be out the back door, over the fence, and at the bottom of the lake.

So should they have sent troops into New York City when they knocked down old Penn Station to put up a modernist hunk of crap? Peoples' lives are more important than buildings. For the matter, a property owner has the right to do what he wants to his property.

 

I have to say something rather cold, and that is that people's lives are not as important as unique irreplaceable buildings. And I have to say that I'm not a pacifist by any means, I'm very willing to use force to defend those buildings, irreplaceable as they are.

And was Penn station a UNESCO site? While I don't like modernist crap I don't think I'd use the military for that. And while I'm a liberal at heart property right's do have some limits in my opinion. For example if a unique species lives on your land and nowhere else you don't have the right to kill off all those just because you own them. Same applies to say the pyramids (though I doubt they are private). unique and irreplaceable things should be protected.

 

I am sorry, I am 100% against the use of force just to save some buildings.

And thank you for being clear about your racism. Honesty is always appreciated, so we know how to deal with individuals who exhibit such behaviors, and believe such things.

So kindly forgive me if I tell you to "Gai kaken oifen yam!"

 

And I actually do not find this very surprising at all. And in reality, you probably really believe in nothing itself but what you believe in. Everything in life is a theory or abstract, and the people really do not matter other then as obstructions. And of course the poor stupid savages that live there can't know any better, so you have to go rush in and save them from themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqr-fQf-CVE

 

Don't be sorry, we just differ in our opinions. Not much more to be said about that matter really.

What racism? Really, what racism. I don't see any racism in that post at all, confusing really.

I don't know what language that is so I can't even guess it's meaning.

And your second post is just drivel, what's the point of it?

 

Well, I sure do.

And that is a perfect example of what "White Man's Burden" is. You are "civilized", and obviously the others are not "civilized", so it is your job (task/burden) to go in and force them to become "civilized" by your own standards.

Take up the White Man's burden--
The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine
And bid the sickness cease

Pretty much all of your claims basically can be boiled down to "they do not know any better, so we need to go down and teach them how to do things". And I am sorry, that is just not right for a great many reasons.

Not the least of which that they are simply a bunch of buildings. While I think it is a huge crime, it is no something we have any right to go to war over, or to be killing people over. Because it is not our country, and it is not our right to decide what they should be allowed or not be allowed what to do in their own country.

Besides, like much of the rest of the UN, UNESCO is largely a joke. They sat back in the past and allowed countless historical sites in Egypt to be destroyed. And the organization has much less to do with the "saving and preservation" of cultural monuments that you seem to think. Are you aware of some of their events are?

International Year for the Culture of Peace, 2000-2001
International Decade for the Promotion of a Culture of Peace and Non-Violence for the Children of the World: 2001–2010
World Press Freedom Day
International Literacy Day

Currently some of their "pet projects" are:

The establishment of "Migrant Museums"
Support to OANA, the Organization of Asia-Pacific News Agencies
The Convention against Discrimination in Education
Promoting Pluralism and cultural diversity in the media

And a long list of similar programs. UNESCO has been loosing support from countries for years, because it is a mess of an organization which is sailing rudderless. And you want to give them a military arm? Are you absolutely freaking nuts? The organization is corrupt, biased, and has absolutely no interest in protecting much of anything. Look at their decisions in cases like the Tomb of Rachel, Cave of the Patriarchs, the Temple Mount, and other such UNESCO decisions.

Israel wants to shore up part of the Western Wall, and they are accused of trying to destroy the mosque and is essentially stopped. The Mosque meanwhile conducts secret "renovations", and tons of artifacts are seen and recovered after being trucked to land fills, and UNESCO does nothing.

Before even considering giving something like this to UNESCO (or allow them to have a military wing), why don't you educate yourself as to what UNESCO actually is, and what their policies and decisions have been like over the last few decades.

 

So the Copts ought to have final say here as the Muslims are just Arab invaders.

 

Right, right, right. Why don't you reply to what I'm really saying instead of raging at some strawman?

I've never said anything about making them civilized or what other things 'the white man's burden' might imply. I just want unique and irreplaceable buildings (and species for that matter) protected. Altough one could add, that we are more civilized in the west then in certain areas in the middle east. And by the way, that didn't have anything to do with racism still.

And regarding UNESCO: Yes, they probably suck like the rest of the UN. And I wasn't proposing to give them a military arm, I simply used 'UNESCO' to mean something exclusively for historical sites.

 

The copts didn't build them either, unless you are on about the ethiopian copts.

 

Ethiopians built the pyramids?

 

Do you know what Ethiopian means?

 

The country of Ethiopia? Or are you referring to the original meaning of the word in greek? which means, without looking it up, southern people or something? iirc

 

yes.
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does not compute.

 

Objects have no value without people since people are the only entities that do valuing. They are the sources of all value and therefore more valuable than any object.

What difference does that make? It was a beautiful old building that was torn down.

Even if I agreed with this--though I don't--it still wouldn't justify foreign invasion over it. Wars are far more immensely destructive than almost anything else, let only acts that merely offend your architectural aesthetic. In fact, they destroy more buildings!

 

I don't quite buy that argument.

the difference lie in the irreplaceableness and import

It isn't even a war really, just defending what needs defending. When it's about the irreplaceable one has only two choices and those are to act and save them, and to do nothing and lose them.

 

A human being is more irreplaceable than any thing, for Heaven's sake.

 

They are descended from the Original non-Arab Egyptians.

God (*)(*)(*)(*) you are dumb, the copts in egypt are a known ethno-religious group. The Coptic Language originated in Egypt for Christ's sake.

 

I'd doubt the egyptian muslims have only arab blood so to say, most would be genetically descendent from the ancient egyptians only with a different culture. As for the copts, I don't think they're 'pure egyptian' but mixed with arabs aswell. Some copts are even named muhammed so their culture isn't 'pure' either.

Who are you calling dumb by the way?

 

Who do you think took the nose off the Sphinx?

Calls to Destroy Egypt’s Great Pyramids Begin

 

I'll miss the icons of ancient Egypt, if they decide to destroy them.