Even FOX news calls Paul Ryans speach a "mountain of cow dung"

I love the hypocrisy. See how the left is calling the Obama Medicaid cuts "saving Medicare" because, as the excuse goes, he reduces the future spending so it isn't a cut, yet when a republican does the same thing, the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the left calling them cuts can be heard across the world.

 

What I can't seem to find out....and I hope you can help....

I know Obama cut provider reimbursements by 700 billion...but what would be cut from medicare if Paul Ryan cut it by 700 billion?....Ryan’s idea is to eventually move Medicare toward private insurance companies by giving people a set amount to buy their own health insurance plans.

So how does Ryan's 700 billion in cuts differ from Onama's 700 billion in cuts?

 

If anything OP, you should be congratulating fox on their hiring of a stinking Sosos funded leftwing whackjob of a twit. It's an opinion piece. We all know this.

 

Ryan's plan gives a choice. A person will get to choose between medicare as it is now or a higher deductible plan if you want, introducing competition. Instead of the lack of choice Obama gives by cutting funding to Medicare where doctors will just quit servicing Medicare patients, like the are going now during a time of the baby boom retirees that will swamp the system.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

You think a link to the leftists at Politifact proves anything??

Bwahahahahahahahahahah!!!!

 

The President needs to lead, something that has been missing in this administration and the stalemate in Congress is the best example.

The choice is between Romney's work ethic and Obama's golf ethic.

 

To still be an Obama supporter at this time is to be a fool. An idiot. Or a parasite. Many a combo.

Not a lib in this entire forum that can make an argument otherwise. Non have.

It does suck that so many Americans have become such disgraces. May you elevate before you drown in stupidity.

 

And she's full of crap= see..FOXNEWS regularly lets Leftninny Doofi express themselves.

She does not speak for "FOXNEWS"...but, then again, what's a Lefthread without a COMPLETE LIE IN THE TITLE?

 

Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling.
Lie. It had nothing to do with raising the debt ceiling and everything to do with the debt.

Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.
Lie. Read the speech. He does not blame Obama for the shut down of the GM plant.
Fact: Though Ryan insisted that President Obama wants to give all the credit for private sector success to government, that isn't what the president said. Period.
Lie. That is exactly what he said with his, "You didn't build that" comment. The White House and the MSM are doing their grandest to walk that one back, but that cat is already out of the bag.
Fact: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan.
Lie. Ryan's plan saves Medicare. They are lying when they say that Ryan's plan would do the same thing as Obama's. Besides, Ryan's plan didn't get passed. So the point is mute. And the scary vouchers? Voluntary.

This is the tactic now. Pick apart every word of the republicans and if you have to tell lies and say they are the liars. They ought to be ashamed.

 

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

It is clear. S&Pcut the rating because some people were using the fiscal health of the Unites states a bargaining chip and refusing to allow the USA to pay its bills.

Oh and by the way, that picture in your avatar is NOT the presidents mother, mainly as she would have been 13 or 14 when that picture was taken in 1956-57. I'm sorry you think you are disrespecting the president with it, but you are actually making yourself look ridiculous.

 

ANYWAY back on topic. This story Is Foxes biggest trending story in ages, Sories like this is generally worth hundreds of millions of dollars in advertising. Therefore Fox news has been doing the logical thing of trying to bury it. I'm gonna copy and past most of it here with the pictures that prove it. The link is at the bottom

So there you have it. Only FOX would try and kill one of their most popular articles because it inadvertently told something like the truth. Fair and balanced my ass.

 

The debt ceiling crisis was over before the rating change so you are wrong. The Dems in the Senate have yet to address a budget and the S&P was clear about the debt crisis which was why they downgraded the rating. They will not address it thus the downgrade.

 

Uh, The dept ceiling crises was "over" by 4 whole days when S&P issued the downgrade, and that followed 3 months of wrangling. They were clear that it was the willingness to hold the creditworthiness of the US Hostage for political gain that was at fault, plus the unwillingness to discuss RAISING REVENUE as a solution to the lowering the dept. Do I have to Past the whole thing again, as it is clear that you don't read it anyway

Oh what the hell heres S&Ps statement. Cut because the whol thing is too long

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/aug/06/sandp-debt-rating-downgrade-statement

So lets just go over some key sentences from that

Gee, it seems in realityland that the Dept ceiling fight was pretty high on their list of reasons for doing the downgrade.

So which party was mentioned by name. AND WHICH PARTY FIGHTS ANY MENTION OF RAISING TAXES?? You know which S&P see as Key to SOLVING THE LONG TERM DEPT?

And which party is fighting the 1.2 trillion in cuts mandated by the act?

As for the democrats in the Senate, First, S&P never even mentioned the Budgets in the senate. Second the Republicans in House of Representatives refuse to even vote on Obama's budget, which by that silly document called the Constitution, is where all financial bills must come from. Yes the Democrats voted down a budget which everyone with a pocked calculator knows will explode the deficit. Which will raise the dept, which S&P is warning against.

So when the GOP sends the Senate a bill that includes tax raises then You might have a point about S&P looking at the budget mess, But sadly the budgets that were sent to the senate were actually evidence that S&P were right about the GOP refusing to even discuss raising revenue.

And don't even think about pitching that stupid line about everyone voting against an Obama budget. Its a lie and you know it. See http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...-unanimously-reject-obama-budgets-or-do-they/

Its good to have facts on ones side.

 

Democrats run the Senate and have refused to bring any budget to the floor for a vote. It's about time they do their job, constitution and all that.

 

Why so synical, hostile, and angry ED?....is it really that bad for you?...it isn't that bad for me, and the people I know.

I think someone is pulling your strings

 

You need sir, to grasp the rules of debating. You not only made a false statement, you tried to mislead the people on this board. The title of your thread says,

Fox News NEVER made any such statement. A Liberal who Fox News asked to give her written views of Ryan's speech said that, not Fox News. I'm being kind to you only saying you made a false statement. You should be the last to tell anyone they need to have a grasp on the English language.

If anything it shows how Fox always gives the opposition a chance to air their views. Fair and Balanced

 

He did NOT blame the plant closing on Obama. He SAID the plant was ALREADY closing when Obama promised he would make sure it would be open for the next 100 years. The POINT of the comment was that "Hope and Change" failed his town as it has failed so many others. It is obvious some of you only believe opinions that agree with your POV. Do yourself a favor and go back and actually LISTEN to the speech. You are making an utter fool of yourself here.

 

Paul Ryan lied about that mill going bankrupt under Obama, when it closed under Bush.

Or perhaps he was just mistaken.

Fact of thematter.......nobody is praising Ryan's speech as effective on swing voters.

The crowd at the RNC convention even cheered for Clint Eastwood, and he didn't even give a clear endoresment for Romney/Ryan.

 

Maybe you need to read the post right above yours. Ryan did no such thing.

 

Sally Kohn is a liberal, you dummy.

Are you surprised that Fox News would allow a liberal opinion on their dime?
That's why they are Fair&Balanced.
Don't expect MSNBC or any of the other sources YOU read to be fair that way.

Thanks for bringing this fair and balanced act of Fox to our notice though.

 

Liberals are desperate and scared. And rightly so, from their point of view.

 

But Ryan wasn't clear about that.

The GOP had to take advantage of mainstream media coverage, and they knew full well, in these carefully crafted speeches, exactly how to give the impression that while Obama was President, he promised a mill wouldn't close, then it closed.

Most normal people and swing voters who caught those few minutes of Ryan, are not going to hear the rebuttals...and they will take that imagery away from that speech.

Why?.....because Romney/Ryan has a big perception problem with closing businesses

 

Liberals don't pay close enough atention to be desperate or scared.

They're willing to keep on spending, while we're headed for a cliff!

I do find it funny how righties get a rise out of thinking liberals are scared of them.

 

How about Obama? He said earlier he was against gay marriage and felt a marriage is between a man and a woman. Now he is all for it. Did he change his mind just to get the gay vote this election? What Ryan said about the plant closing may not have been crystal clear, but it wasn't a lie as everyone on the Left want to make it out to be.

 

Obama changed his mind, and he was talking about his own opinions, not those of others. People are allowed to change thier minds.

Ryan knowingly carried out a speech designed to deceive that average voter on national TV.

But hey!...that's politics...it's a bare knuckle brawl of epic proportions....and I'm not saying Obama doesn't do the same thing....but you people seem to have been hoodwinked by conservative media into thinking he didn't misrepresent himself.

Rudy Gulianni said it best after Piers Morgan asked him about it. Gulianni said "Not all facts in speeches are completely correct"

Just know what it is....that's all