Time for the world to get tough with Israel.

There can never be peace as long as Israel is allowed to keep building more and more settlements on the West Bank. Taking more and more land from the Palestinians for a bigger Israeli state.



Israel has responded to the Palestinians new status at the United Nations with bricks and mortar, reports the Associated Press:

Israel responded swiftly Friday to U.N. recognition of a Palestinian state, revealing it will build 3,000 more homes for Jews on Israeli-occupied lands that the world body overwhelmingly said belong to the Palestinians.
The plans also include future construction in a strategic area of the West Bank where critics have long warned that Jewish settlements would kill hopes for a viable Palestinian state.

Israel's moves served as a harsh reminder to Palestinians -- euphoric over the U.N. upgrade -- that while they now have a state on paper, most of it remains very much under Israeli control.

http://worldnews.about.com/b/2012/1...-homes-in-response-to-palestinian-un-move.htm

 

If the crazy Arabs had made peace with Israel in 1948 none of this would be happening today.

 

I agree. But they felt they got cheated. They had the biggest population, but got the smaller land.

 

They didn't want a State of Israel to have any land.

The Arabs rejected the 1948 UN partition entirely.

 

Well can you really blame them? Here they are living on the land for hundreds of years with a few thousands Jews. Then the Jews started migrating into Palestine in greater numbers. They start buying up as much land as possible and moving Arabs off the land that was owned by mostly out of state land owners, that allowed Arabs to use their land. Then the war starts and the British promise both Arabs and Jews a state if they help them fight the Ottomans. Of course neither Jews or Arabs know that Britain promised the same thing to the other. Now the war is over and both sides want their state. Jews start piling in and the Arabs are mad, thinking they have been double crossed. When Britain finally throws their hands up, knowing the trouble they caused and can't fix it, gives it over to the UN. Then the UN gives the Jews the biggest share and expects Arabs living in the part Israel gets to move out or become Israel citizens. I mean really, I can see the Arab view of it. I can't blame them from being mad.

 

I don't know how much truth there is to that.

But think about what you are saying.

The Jews bought the land and then expected the Arab squatters to move?

That makes sense to me.

In any case that was a long time ago.

Since then the Arabs have been leading with their chin and getting clobbered by the Jews in every war they fought.

You would think the Arabs would learn by now that they were not going to overturn the UN mandate by force.

But they never do.

 

Sounds like California and Mexico. Should people in Northern California start lobbing rockets into Hispanic areas of California?

 

Palestine a state recognized by a tyrants' mutual protection club.

 

They got the entire Jordan (75% of Mandate Palestine) and 45% of what was left. 2/3 of Israel's partition was the Negev desert, uninhabitable and unsuitable for agriculture at the time.

Moreover no one was supposed to lose land, the arab landowners could have remained landowners in the state of Israel with all applicable citizenship and property rights...but living as a minority in a jewish state was unbearable to their racist ego so they attacked.

 

No, but you can't expect them to set back and allow Israel to keep building settlements on land set aside for the Palestinians just to make a greater Israel. That isn't fair either. Just look at this map of the West Bank and the Jewish settlement in it. How could the Palestinians expect to have a country with that many settlements all over it? I'm not a Jew hater or a Arab lover. I am married to a Jew for over 32 years. I just think fair is fair. Most Americans aren't looking at both sides of this problem fairly.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/israel/map/

 

Those new settlements would not be going up if the Palestinians had stopped trying to destroy Israel 50 years ago.

Or if the Arabs had been willing to accept the Jewish state 30 years ago.

Think of what the Arabs might be crying about 30 years from now if they continue their vow to wipe Israel off the face of the earth?

 

Many of the land owners left Israel when the war started in 1948. Now they can say Israel drove them out, the Arabs asked them to leave while the war was going on, or left for their own safety, who really knows the truth? But the fact is, those that left couldn't go back to their land after the war.

 

Who cares? Israel should round up ALL the Islamo's that pollute their glorious land and escort them to the nearest Islamo border and say "Thanks for visiting Israel, please STFO. Screw the Satanic murder cult Islam with their endless war and their misery engendering seventh century justice.

ISLAM IS THE FRICKING PROBLEM NOT ISRAEL!!!

 

Thats right. Israel offered the Islamo's citizenship and participation in government, and the Islamo's paid them back with betrayal and war.

 

Few on this board has spoken out more against Muslims and Islam more than I have. I have continuely spoken out againt their ancient customs. Their religion that is still back in the stone age. Their silence over how terrorist are dragging their religion through the mud. Their barbaric ways. But I also realize all Muslims aren't the same. They did get a dirty deal from the British and UN. Up until that time, Muslims and Jews lived side by side in Palestine in peace.

 

...as long as the Islamo's had political dominance...

 

Offered them Jewish citizenship in land that had been Arab for thousands of years. You wonder why many didn't like that deal? It would be like the UN breaking Arizona off and giving it to Mexico and telling me I can keep my home, but I have to become a Mexican citizen and obey their laws now. Do you think that might (*)(*)(*)(*) me off a little?

 

Well, you may be right. But endless war and jealous regret that they could not do with the land what the Jews did with it. Sorry, I have zero enmpathy or sympathy for the Islamo seventh century murder cult.

 

If the arabs in the middle east want peace, why dont all the arab states in the area invite the paleistinians to their muslim states and be dont with the problem? That way they and Israel could live in peace.

 

I'd like to see the UN and their liberal Quislings in America try something like that.

Palestine was not an independent country run by Palestinians.

It was just a territory of the Ottoman Turks and later a UN protectorate.

The UN offered a peaceful settlement to the Arabs and Jews that would have meant statehood for both but only the Jews accepted it.

 

The Islamo's rejected it because of hate for Israel, and hate alone.

 

Especially after the Bristish had promised them a state. They were under the impression that Palestine was going to be their state. They didn't know the British had also promised to give Israel a state in Palestine too. Now why shouldn't they be mad. They felt they got screwed.

 

900,000 Jews were expelled from the Arab world, most of them were resettled in Israel without even a penny of aid received from international humanitarian refugee organizations. Israel took care of them, they and their descendands now constitute half of Israel's population. Given that Israel took care of them it's only fitting that the Arab states take care of Arab refugees, the problem they themselves created by invading Israel and attempting to wipe it off the map.

Fair is fair, right? Weren't those your words earlier in this thread?

 

What on earth leads you to think the nazis want peace? While they have the US pols by the danglies why should they bother with mere people? They plan to gas them all anyway.

 

Oh, so it's ok for the jews to be a minority (dhimmi) in an Arab state but it's not ok for arabs to be a minority (with their language, political parties, newspapers full citizenship rights, mind you) in a Jewish state. If this is not arab racism I don't know what is.