FBI stats - Knives, Hands, Feet, and Fist, kill FAR more than 'assault weapons'

In my opinion, there are two basic types of people who support a new 'assault weapons' ban. First, those who are simply misinformed, who are simply ignorant of the reality of homicide in America. Second, there are those who simply don't care either way, their agenda is to minimize 2nd amendment freedoms in whatever way that they can.



FBI statistics

http://washingtonexaminer.com/if-yo...tart-with-rifles/article/2516536#.UNUg-HfkLE7

 

Heheheheherhe.... I like it.

 

Check out the stats in New York, California, and Illinois, especially the handgun stats. These places have some of the toughest handgun regulation in the country... and a lot of good it appears to have had.

 

I'm not sure why the graph from the OP magically disappeared, but here's that image again:

 

Actually, you are the one who is misinformed.

I simply don't want citizens to be able to easily acquire military firearms. That is my agenda.

 

How so?

Do you consider this a 'military firearm'?



Never mind... I'll wait for you to do a thorough google search to figure out what it is, and how similar it is to these alleged 'military firearms' you're so fearful of.

 

What's that, a 30-30?

Of course it is.

 

No.... no it's not a 30-30.

Thanks for playing. Next...

 

Then, according to you, I have nothing to fear from it.

Nice try. Next....

 

LOL, no... you should fear this rifle just as much as you should fear an AR15. Like the AR, this rifle, the mini-14, fires the same caliber ammunition, is semi automatic, and is magazine fed.

Do you wish to ban the sell of this rifle as well? Not sure what good that's going to do you, as there are hundreds of thousands, if not more than a million, of these in circulation, in addition to far more high cap mags for this rifle, than the rifle itself.

But surely banning them will somehow, by virtue of magic likely, prevent them from being used for criminal purposes.

 

There is at least one other type of person that you don't mention. people like me who are just sick of the fact that every hour in this country, someone is killed with a gun. Personally, I would like to see full background checks, training and licensing required for anyone wanting to own any kind of gun. C&C is fine with me, if the person has the training and license mentioned. Get caught with a loaded gun in the city, without the proper license etc... or get caught with a gun in the car (vs. the trunk)? 1 year in jail minimum.

Our problem is not gun laws, it's the lack of enforcement and penalty. If a gang banger who has never been convicted, gets caught on his way to a hit, he's out in an hour. The guy who shot up the theater in CO? He would have been out in an hour, if caught before he got there.
Also, arms purchases and resale should be tightly regulated and enforced with severe penalties. That is the number one source of illegal weapons.

Having a handgun in the home for protection is fine. A bolt action or shotgun for hunting, which is in the trunk on the way to the field is fine. I have and have had all of them.

but then, when it comes to this issue, there is rarely common sense, logic or reason from the crowd that wants to arm teachers, clergy etc... so I doubt anyone with an opposing view would see the sense in this.

 

But you don't appear to be calling for a ban, and for that I'd like to thank you.

There is nothing wrong with the things you propose.

 

That's military enough for me. But, to be clear, I don't want those banned. I want them put under the same restrictions that prevent machine guns from being readily available. Fact is, with proper licensing, even you can own a fully functional 105mm howitzer. It's simply that your possession of such devices is highly regulated--you know, A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State...--and that regulation seems to work.

Such regulation is in accord with the 2nd Amendment.

As I said before, I'd like to see military style firearms highly regulated, not banned.

The machine gun regulations seem to work well. It's extremely rare to find a fully automatic weapon used in any criminal act. You should do some study on the subject, and keep an open mind.

 

The AR-15, and mini-14 are not machine guns. The military equivilant of an AR-15, the M-16, is a machine gun. The M-16 is prohibitively expensive, and difficult to legally obtain by ordinary citizens.

In your first post, you were clearly not referring to the M-16, or other long guns which are actually military grade.

If you knew what you were talking about, you'd realize that your supposed agenda has already been achieved.

What do you have to say about the FBI stats? Do you also consider handguns to be 'military firearms'? Murders committed by handguns (which is primarily the result of gang/drug/felonious activity) dwarf the number committed by 'military firearms' by an incredible amount. And further, the places in the country which have the highest levels of regulation on handguns, still have an incredibly high number of handgun murders...

And what do you make of the fact that more people are killed by knives, hands, fist, feet, and other weapons (such as baseball bats), than rifles (including 'assault rifles)?

 

It is everything you fear.

 

It's a sad day when the 'know nothings' have a voice which can affect your constitutional freedoms.

 

Another argument for a property or taxation requirement before being able to vote. If 47% aren't even paying income tax, why should they have a say in the rates for the people paying for the gov't?

 

M-16s are automatic rifles, not machine guns.

And you just called a M-16 a machine gun. BFD.

I know what I'm talking about, and my agenda hasn't been realized, yet I'm confident it will be some day.

I would like to see all military style sidearms heavily regulated as well. You would still be able to go out and easily buy a revolver though. Same with shotguns and hunting rifles.

Put the perpetrators in prison for murder just like we do now.

 

Fair question. And what's even more curious, is why that demographic of people would care what tax rates the wealthy pay, when there is no guarantee that those higher taxes will result in a better quality of life for them. Just like with the gun issue, they're influenced by premature, one sided thinking, and left leaning talking points.

 

The M-16 is a machine gun, a light machine gun.

Nah, you don't.

So in your world, only criminals could own semi-automatic handguns?

You're not addressing the question at all.

 

Whatever you say.

I still consider the StG 44 to be the first assault rifle. Certainly isn't a machine gun.

I see the discussion period of our argument is over, and we've moved on. if you ever want to have another discussion, look me up, and I might humor you.

What question was that?

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/machine+gun

You propose tighter regulations for semi-automatic handguns, or 'military style sidearms' as you like to call them, yet suggest it should be easy for anyone to go out and buy a revolver. How on earth is that supposed to prevent criminals from obtaining semi-auto hand guns, or lower the over all level of handgun related death? As I've pointed out earlier in the thread, some of the areas of the country which have the greatest amount of handgun violence, also have incredibly high levels of murders via handgun.

It was a very simple question. What do you make of the fact that more people are killed with knives, hands, fist, feet, and weapons such as baseball bats, than 'assault weapons'?

 

People should be able to carry donkey jawbones. They are a lot better than guns and much more deadlier. Samson killed 1,000 men with one. He would have ran out of ammo with an assault rifle.

 

Plus, a person killed by an assault weapon is much more dead than a person beat to death.

 

Despite the blathering of the gunmen, everyone knows that your murder rate is vastly above those of equivalent countries, and it is not because of anything but GUNS, GUNS, GUNS, GUNS - millions of them easily available - that your murder four times as many people in proportion than us, and six times more than the Germans. To watch the NRA and other nutters and scoundrels defending murder is putting of most honest friends of the USA - their arguments are so footling and pathetic, and their affects so foul!