Why is abortion such a big deal in the Christian world?

If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
William Shakespeare

Never in the history of mankind women played in any existing culture since thousand of years an important role in public - the christian men made women and equal rights important. Woman are the other halfth of us Christians. By the way: An example for "equal rigths" would it be to build five WCs for ladies if there's one for men - or to punish men twice as hard if they are agressive against women.

Also today in the most cultures in the in the world women are seen only as objetcs. I think also in the sex-dominated anglo-saxon world women are in most case nothing else than only objects of agressive and intrigant male idiots: Men are (*)(*)(*)(*)ing women and if men don't like the results of their idiotic games ('no rules in war and love') then women have to agree that they should abort their babies. Women worldwide are manmade objects of abortions - as well as aborting mother-objects as well as aborted child-objects. As more every form to think in the western world becomes "objective" everyone seems to become more and more an object of some idiots who like to win a war of words without trying to understand the reality and spirituality all around them.

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Yeah - I'm also hungry in the moment.

ah - you did not understand that I really meant what I said. Now you are striking back. Funny. You know - or got a feeling - that you are wrong, isn't it? Now you have to defend this wrongness - because otherwise you had to change something in your mind. And this is always difficult.

Sorry - but it is illegal to kill human beings.

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Abortion is wrong.

Very short: A human right to murder human beings is not able to be an unalienable natural human right.

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It's terrible that this sort thing happens and sadly it does. I really do not agree with it but in cases where the mothers life maybe in danger so be it. Christians wail against it but their very own so called god of love killed millions including children. There is not a happy medium when it comes to abortion and taking the life of an unborn fetus you either agree or you don't.

 

What did you think abot when you said "Christians wail against it but their very own so called god of love killed millions including children." ???

 

Really? The mythical flood killed no one huh? This god kills when he don't get his way. He cannot control the very creation he was suppose to have created and have power over. But then agian he appears to be some what racists as only a select few are chosen.

 

Oh - I was to fast and so I was to slow. I changed the text meanwhile because it makes on sense for me to discuss with believers of atheism about their [anti]religion.

Noah and his arch is by the way exactly the opposit of racism. From my point of view you are a racist and antisemite if you are attacking Noahs arch. You should not try to attack others with such expressions. Panta rei.

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Blinded by the light......you will wake up one day and realize you have been duped. Good day.

 

"Duped" - another nice word to learn for me - but indeed it's more worse: I will wake up one day and I will realize to be dead - or I will not realize to be dead. But you will never awake one day if you are right.

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I think that English is not your first language, so there are bound to be misunderstandings.

Whatever you opinion is doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you .. and no I don't think I am wrong at all, I do feel that religion has little or no place in a modern society as it is an archaic system .. but that is my opinion.

Yep it is, human beings that have been accorded the rights of personhood that is .. however it didn't stop your god killing millions did it (including the unborn)

which means you don't know

Not according to the Christian church prior to 1917.

Firstly you have to prove it is murder.

 

Fortunatelly you are right. The english language is more a kind of crook for me - although it's only a kind of german dialect. I'm very bad in learning foreign languages.

Why?

So what? If I'm right someone else should agree if I'm wrong someone else should not agree. Very easy.

Wrong? With what?

That's maybe your opinion - but that's not your own idea. This idea is an indoctrination as a result of propaganda. Never - since human beings are existing - in no age of mankind - in no culture - existed human beings without spirituality and religion.

That's completly unimportant

Why? To kill a human being on no reason to do so is murder - to do it in a way so the victims have absolutelly no chance to defend themselve makes it more ugly. To kill the own descendants makes it more mad. But abortion is more than only murder - abortion is even a form of industrialized mass-murder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrGQZglZFTo

 

The pagan societies that surrounded the Hebrew patriarchs fro the days of Moses separated themselves at that time from those Gentiles who were sexually promiscuous and needed to abort fatherless babies called bastards because the society could not look after their Welfare.
Today, America is in the same situation.

Half of all babies born now are illegitimate bastards in spite we abort an equal number before incurring that cost.

This factual situation that always follows when the ignorant men assume the woman's womb is only her business, until the hungry mouths start appearing in greater and greater numbers.

If men are to be the bread winners of final recourse, and to be held responsible to protect the property and lives of their nations, the Social Contract can not begin with the exception to it, that women and there bodily inclusion in that Contract are exept.

 

¿Jesus?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzN2g60BMA0

 

You may think your stupid remark is cute but it just shows that you are a fool.

God is the father of Jesus. God caused the virgin Mary to conceive without sexual intercourse, that's why Jesus is both man and God. Before you say how is it possible that God could cause a virgin to conceive a baby, I remind you that God created the entire universe and everything in it. Causing a woman to conceive a baby without sexual intercourse would be no problem.

 

If you want to refute any facts I've presented please be specific.

Planned Parenthood is the nation's largest abortionist, yes or no? Government funding of PP is fungible, such funds can free up money to promote abortion and kill unborn babies.

Planned Parenthood’s Abortions Rise, Other Services Fall

False: “Abortion is Only 3% of Planned Parenthood’s Services”

What kind of hateful racists support PP?!

PLANNED PARENTHOOD ABORTION FACILITIES TARGET AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITIES

Of course government funding to provide other (actual) health care could be shifted to other organizations which don't happen to be the country's largest abortion mill.

Unborn babies are obviously separate humans. If you want to kill off anyone who is not entirely independent or sentient a lot of handicapped and elderly people will be on your murder list.

 

Hopefooly a godfool fool - and everything else than not Joseph.

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I couldnt resist sticking my big nose in this one. Lets first off agree that we are only giving our opinions here. Most of what you are saying cant be proven.

1.) It is your OPINION that abortion is not murder. I believe that life begins at conception and you don't. Fair enough, if, as I believe you will, you meet God face to face you'll find out, but then it will be too late for you to change your mind. Personally, I dont think that I would want to bet my eternal destiny on the murder of babies, but, hey, that's your choice. That's why the one and only true God doesnt force you to believe. He lays everything out for you in His Book (you can get one in any book store) and let's you choose to read it and believe it. But, hey, it's just my opinion right? Like Anobistar very rightly said, If he's right in his beliefs He will wake up one day. If you're right in your beliefs, then you won't. But if you're wrong.....oh my. Glad I aint you.

 

Actually you are wrong I do believe life begins at conception, that is a scientific fact . .however I do not believe that there is an independent sentient person at conception.

Which of the parts can't be proven?

 

1.) Well, that your belief so I wont rain on your parade.

2.) "Which of the parts can't be proven?" What in the world are you talking about now? Clarify.

 

Sentient person? ... Hmm ... Persona est rationalis naturae individua substantia (a person is an individual substance of a rational nature) ... and also a single cell is "sentient" and "sensefull". Why do you think has this (what exactly) to do with abortion?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l6t3SnfDfU

 

Indeed .. killing living humans is illegal. The problem is that there is no scientific concensus claiming that the single cell at conception is a living human.

Not according to the Bible.

Have you any other rational for your claim ?

 

"sentient" is a bit of an ambiguous term and it would be pretty hard to prove that a single cell knows it exists.

Regardless .. if you are trying to claim that every human cell is deserving of rights on the basis of sentience .. you have an uphill battle.

"significant brain function" is probably a better term as lack of this is used to determine death such that by definition ... without significant brain function, no living human exists.

The scientific concensus for SBF is 20-24 weeks.

 

Abortion is wrong - and your atheistic misuse of the book with the name"bible" is another wrongness. About this misuse of the bible I don't discuss. I spoke only about human rights. In general: Everyone who kills a human being kills a universe [of possiblities].

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Why was slavery anybody else's business but the slave trader's and the slave buyer's?

It's called value for human life. Some people have it, and some people don't. Those that have it have a moral responsibility to stand up for what is right. Those that do not, think like you - they are confused as to why anybody would be upset.

 

If we would murder all human beings who are not able to understand really the sentence "cogito ergo sum" - how many would survive? In general all living structures "know" something about their existance if there are existing ways to get impressions and ways to react or to express something.

In Germany a dead human beings body is garbage if it weighs less than a pound (500 g). Such rules are arbitrary. Some years or decades ago it was 2000 g. I was very astonished when I heard about this law 2 weeks ago.

In general such a form to quantify something has to do with sience, because someone has to messure something - but the decision "garbage vs dead human beings body" is a political and/or economical decision - not a scientific decision. The decision in this case "what is garbage or not" has nothing to do with natural laws. A natural scientist is able to discuss about "death structures vs living structures" and he can only say wether the body is alive or dead what has to be thrown away or has to be buried.

So give me please an exact natural-philosophical reason why a human being with 20 (or 24) weeks is a human being - but not so with 19 weeks. What's the difference except one week lifetime? I think wether someone is 19 weeks or 20 weeks plays no role. Both human beings will be born under normal conditions - one of this two human beings one week later - that's all and not a reason to kill someone. A brain is by the way only a little part of the body of a human being - and both children will be born with a complete normal brain under normal conditions.

If someone would like to kill you today because you don't have 2000 dollars today and he would be right to do so - but he would not be right to do so tomorrow if you had more than 2000 Dollars is maybe a comparable mistake of thoughts. All thoughts, all philosophical concepts - nothing in this world at all - has any worth if there is not love in the heart of the people. Nature 'teached' us to love our newborn babies, because the most innocent and the most helpless human beings need more love and help than anyone else. We need justice - justice for the weakest babies. We need a power of cognition what allows us to love unborn children as strong as newborn babies. Nature was not able to 'teach' us this - nature cared just simple for the most save and best living conditions in this phase of our lifes. But god is able to help us to teach us ourselve the right way not to abort us because we don't like to accept us human beings in the way we are really existing.

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"A survey at an abortion clinic found that 40% of women getting an abortion were Catholic, 40% were from other religions and 20% were non-religious. This is even though only about 25% of US people are Catholics." source: http://www.lisashea.com/lisabase/aboutme/abortion.html


1.2 million abortions a year in the USA. In this case about 500000 abortions would be from Catholics. In 30 years it would be 15 million abortions. In total are existing about 45 million catholic women in the USA. So this would mean 1/3 of all catholic women im the USA are aborting a baby in their life.

If this is true - what do you think would be in this case the main reason why to live in the USA is for Catholics a worser catastrophe than for anyone else? Why are living Catholics in the USA without hope?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfSju3dPZ5c