I put in couple of links in some of my posts in this thread about The penetration, check them out, they even surprised me. A buckshot actually obliterated the wall. Just check it out.
If she is a small lady check out the Ruger SP101 in either .357 or .327, my wife loves hers, nice weight, good power and reliable as the sun coming up. Ruger does have a new compact 9mm but I would only recommend it as a backup weapon since it is so small and hard to shoot accurately beyond a couple of yards.
thank you for the suggestiong on the Ruger SP101, If you dont mind how much did you pay for that revolver? She was looking at the little 5 shot 22 LR revolvers, but my only concern is how you have to reload them, She things the Bond Arms is too heavy but does like it and will probably carry in her wallet so she needs something light.
FWIW, not all ARs are chambered for 5.56 ammo either. Only those specifically chambered 5.56 NATO or 223 Wylde can safely handle the pressures generated by 5.56 mil spec ammo. On the other hand, FMJ 5.56 ammo is not what I would consider appropriate for home defense (or much of anything other than paper punching or some situation that requires a lot of penetration). Ballistic tip or soft point ammo are much better choices. I'm not sold on the effectiveness of frangible rounds though.
The shotgun is much more versatile than the AR--a shotgun can shoot multiple types/power levels of buckshot, birdshot and slugs. There are at least four sizes of commercially available buckshot--#00,#0, #1 and #4. They are available at different power levels. There are probably dozens of types of birdshot, and at least three or four types of slugs. To claim that an AR has a wider range of ammunition type isn't really an accurate statement.
Hornady makes something like 30 - 35 different bullets just for the 223 Rem. The ARs upper receiver can be swapped out in a minute or less to one of a different barrel length/config to a completely different caliber, ranging from various pistol calibers to rifle calibers from .22LR up to .50 Cal. That's pretty versatile if you ask me. Not that I don't like shotguns
Just speaking of 5.56 mm NATO ARs, the only variation in ammo type is between frangible, FMJ and AP. Not nearly as different as shotguns.
In 223 Rem, you can also get ballistic tip, soft points and hollow points (and maybe a few other types), ranging anywhere from 35 grain up to 100 or so grains (note some bullet weights are not appropriate to all barrel twists.) Its still quite a lot of variation even with the one caliber. Granted, you may not be able to walk into Walmart and find all these choices, but they do exist, especially if you load your own.
wouldnt it be the same as with my 1911? I can use ball tip, spear tip, hollow point, there is a snake shot but its suppose to mess up the 1911 barrel (So I wont use it) But its the same just different tips. (I have 200 grain HP and Spear Tip lead)
Yes but that is NOT what commonly happens - and it could just have easily been someone who when they heard you move took fright and ran away. See this is SPECULATION and not a little bit of Hollywood dreaming I on the other hand have memories of the police woman who was called to a house and knocked on the door only to be shot in the face by a young man having a psychotic break She had half her face blown away And it makes me wonder how many on here have ACTUALLY SEEN A REAL LIFE GUNSHOT WOUND I bet it is very very few Challenge to all the "Rambo's" on this thread boasting about how much damage their gun can do Tell me - have you EVER witnessed a gunshot wound up close and personal? And if so describe the smell (it is distinctive)
My question for you is this. How many people do you trully beleive are going to willy nilly go out and shoot people knocking on their door? In my instance I was saved by going out with the grandparents (I had originally planned to stay home wasnt feeling well) and went to breakfeast with them. They caught this guy (He was in his 20's I was 15) after he removed 2 shotguns and several case's of ammo and jewelry from the house (A ring I still wear to this day) Honestly I would hate to have to shoot someone, I really would, BUT I also purchased my .45 for the fact that if I (god forbid, or any god anyone on this forum prays to) I have to use it to defend myself or family I dont want them to get back up. Reason I didnt get a 9, Because it takes more then 1 shot, Reason I didnt get a 40 is because they didnt come in a style I liked. And the only gun I have ever wanted so instead of buying gun after gun I bought my favorite. (Going home, Hope you all have a good day )
Mate - Bring this up because after too many years of ICU nursing I have seen more than my fair share of gunshot wounds And SOMEONE has to care for them, clean them up, heal them etc All too often on these boards the rhetoric is around "shoot to kill" never "shoot to stop" or shoot to maim" and I think that is easier to live with having ended a life than to live with crippling a life - especially if it is someone you know As for likelihood of someone shooting another on opening the door - that depends on the availability of the guns in the community doesn't it?
Yes I have smelled that discintive almost mettalic smell of a fresh GSW. It is not my desire to inflict that upon somebody, however, it is not my desire to have my family become victims of any of the following crimes, rape, assault and battery, assault and battery with a deadly weapon, murder, etc. And if inflicting upon someone a serious possibly fatal wound is a way to prevent that, than that is what will be done. I have no desire to be this action hero you speak of. The fact of the matter is, no matter how small the chance may be, IT IS STILL A CHANCE. I was a victim of a very violent crime, and spent almost three weeks recovering. If I had a gun at that time, it would not have happened. So don't speak to me about "chances" and what not as that chance has already happened to me once, in my own home. It is disrespectful to people like me when you start talking about "probability" of something like this happening when it has in fact happened. We are not boasting about our powerful weaponry, we are discussing collateral damage that can be caused if you are forced to make the concious choice to pull the trigger, and how the round may or may not follow through a wall, and the guns they are trying to ban actually rate the best. That is what this thread is about, please try and stay on topic.
I deeply am sorry you have seen gunshot victims and trully am. But at what point does there personal responsibility to not try and commit a crime not fall on them? I own a gun I do not carry or boast i do not commit crimes nor so I say i want to shoot x amount of people in my life. I am grateful for people like you who care what happens to those who are shot and god forbid i ever get shot and hope I have someone willing to watch over me if i ever become a victim but a perpetrator no longer is a victime when he puts himself into the situation willingly just like a person is no longer fine when he/she is forced to become a victim. I show everyone respect so I exspect it back because I am being courtious, I am not putting you in a position that is harmful to anyone if I walked up to you and pushed you out of the way that is me forcefully putting you in danger and makeing me the aggressor and you the victim. You didn't ask for me to run up and assault you but..I did it. I am not a victim, you are. Not everyone is a victim.
To me this is the essence of the topic Why do Americans feel they need such intense and powerful weapons while a majority of Aussies and Brits do not There is no doubting that your gun injury rate is horrific What I have to question is the belief that having a gun makes you SAFER
Thank-you for that - like most ICU nurses all we can ever say is "you do not want my memories". Horrific as they are I am thankful I live in Australia and not the USA because my experiences are infrequent compared to virtually any ICU nurse there. Like a lot of Brits, Europeans, Aussies and Kiwis we are puzzled by some of the beliefs surrounding guns in America. Guns are mostly for farmers, sporting shooters and bad guys. Yes you could get shot by a gun but the chances of that happening here are less than being hit by a car But that is here where our firearm death rate is a tenth of yours So why is our injury/death rate lower than yours - what are WE possibly doing right or what is going wrong for you? Because it comes down to the fact that the BEST defence is not to need a gun in the first place - to have a society where there is not as high a risk of injury
Although I do believe I am a hardass, I know and have experienced that there is someone out there who is far tougher. My wife is small and kinda fragile. When against a bigger badder person who could bring serious harm, a gun levels the playing field. It makes my wife still small and fragile, but able to defend herself. My wife and children are my life, and my firearms protect them. I don't want to delve into what happened to me, but I don't ever want my family to have to face the terror which can happen. A gun makes me feel safer because no matter how big, bad or determined, a gun can stop them.
I know this is counter intuitive but having a gun puts them at GREATER risk http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM198606123142406 http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506#t=article
Honestly most of what I read seems more opinionated than anything. My guns are always locked up, always secure and everybody in my home has been trained for safe handling. There is 50+ Million gun owners in the united states and the accidents that have happened are a minute in comparisson. Our country is far more violent than yours, banning/restricting guns won't change that. Your country had a fraction of the murders our country has even before your gun ban. Your country's crime and murder rate was declining before the gun ban. To put any or all change on one thing like guns, is a little irresponsible I think. You need to understand that other things are more of a factor than a tool.
Your guns might be locked and yes that reduces the risk but is everyone's - the American College of Paediatricians have found that depressingly few do - even those with little kids, which of course is one reason why the NRA's biggest enemy is the aforesaid college But I would challenge that my country is less violent than yours - particularly if you compare statistics for crimes (admittedly not a good idea as there are too many variables) What is VERY different are our thinking in terms of guns
[MENTION=17234]Bowerbird[/MENTION], Don't mind the troll, his latest tactic (having run out of "good" arguments a while ago) is to make weird implications about other people who disagree with him in an attempt to discredit them... Of course, he only manages to expose himself as a moron in the process.
My only thing when I bought my gun is I am a big gun person, I am a knife guy and a Muscle Car, Motorcycle guy. So When I bought mine I made sure it also had a nice case, Bought magazines, Had a good sturdy toolbox to lock everything in. When I told my sister She said (She is 30 a principle asst and confused me when she said this) "You dont have the bullets and the gun together do you ) I said "not at the moment" What caught me off gaurd was the fact that she was under the assumption that the gun and bullets would have a conversation and decide to shoot us all... I like to think I didnt just buy what I wanted I also bought it because of its Safetys. It has a slide safety, And grip safety where it needs a certain amount of pressure for the gun to shoot. I agree not everyone is careful with their firearms but THAT should be promoted more then anything. They should have ads showing good ways to protect your firearm while protecting your home. When I bought mine I was talking to the guy (Seller at academy) about it being my first gun and he said "Thats great"...that was it. I beleive in haveing more information then I need but I like researching stuff that catches my attention or I know is right. I would of liked more information such as "Oh we have so and so case for x amount that would be good for this" A case, gun oil, reading material, I bet if you gave a little information like that to new gun owners they would buy most of it to help them better know their weapon.
