Why is abortion such a big deal in the Christian world?

Bye bye

Abortion is wrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNE7nAfCH4Q

 

Anyone can have an opinion .. but is it informed ?

 

You seem to be saying a woman is simply a mindless animal. I don't agree. A woman is an independent creature with hope fears, desires, relationships. She may have causes she wants to devote her life to. All the decisions about her life should be hers, not the government's; not the church's.

I have shown you more respect than you have shown me. I have not attacked you personally as you have me. The fact that I see your religious beliefs as destructive superstitions doesn't make me a psychopath. Your reference to "a few thousand years of history" seems to indicate that your God has changed, become nicer over the years. I have no idea how you can get that to fit with your religion's claim that God has existed forever and is all knowing and all powerful. It fits easily into the concept that mankind has changed and matured so it created a more mature God to reflect these changes.

I appreciate the poem by Schiller. Unfortunately I don't have the German to understand it but I did enjoy the song by Wunderlich. I wish you all the best.

 

You are too late to be a prophet on this.

Already half of all babies born are out-of-wedlock.

The main reason is the all the girls are being sexual promiscuous as one can see from the basically equal ijcidents of abortions across the v=board:

Abortions by Religious Affiliation:
Protestants: 37.4%
Catholics: 31.3%
Jews: 1.3 %
Secular: 30.0 %

 

Abortion is just the evidence that pre-marital sex is going on which is thing thatis wrong.

Muslim Fathers shoot the girl, not the baby.
It only takes about 5-8 per year, and the sexual promiscuity disappears.

 

Then they are no better than the people who do it today are they? I do not agree with abortion either but religion always seems to C it's way into an A and B conversation.

 

No, it's not. I've had sex thousands of times with hundreds of women, and not one ended up pregnant. Go figure.

 

Abortion is not wrong.

Wow, debating is easy!

(Surgeon general notes: figures may be off by a factor of 10 or more) :V

 

and pre-marital sex has been going on for thousands of years . . doesn't have a single thing to do with the topic

Wow .. so your answer is to shoot a few girls every year .. and your lot say that pro-choice are pro-death .. un-(*)(*)(*)(*)ing-believable

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If its so uninteresting why did you make the assumption I didn't read your comments.
There is not bigger propaganda than that of religion

 

Abortion is wrong and I'm sure you and everyone else who read my arguments here knows this very well meanwhile. What now comes is an endless swamp of senseless words. I don't know why supporters of abortions are existing and why they don't change their mind. The arguments against my arguments here were lousy. In generell: It's not only not normal that the USA is killing every year 1.2 million Americans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTyy06SmSYg

 

Calculation: (2750000*78+1200000*-0,5)/3950000=55 Abortion reduces the lifespan of Americans from 78 years to 55 years. Everyone could know this. That's a fact. And now you will tell me that this fact is not existing and I am an idiot because I believe in god and I fight for life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMnXjLD7J24

 

Good grieve. Did you speak with a psychologist about your problems?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cvakTZAzz8

 

Oh by the way Captain: Did you see the iceberg?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UArw7kA2mrg

 

What problems, exactly?

 

That's why you should try to speak with a psychologist. Under all circumstances you have [a] serios psychological problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buromFIUzHE

 

How would you feel about it if some 2000 year old book did not say it was wrong? Fighting for LIFE is one thing fighting to force a belief on some one is another matter.

http://etb-political.blogspot.com/2012/03/christians-have-as-many-abortions-as.html

3 Ways Conservative Christianity's Obsessions Promote Abortions

http://www.alternet.org/story/153869/3_ways_conservative_christianity's_obsessions_promote_abortions

Religious Groups' Official Positions on Abortion
http://www.pewforum.org/abortion/religious-groups-official-positions-on-abortion.aspx

Ensoulment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christian_thought_on_abortion

 

"Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves the creative action of God and it remains for ever in a special relationship with the Creator, who is its sole end. God alone is the Lord of life from its beginning until its end: no one can under any circumstance claim for himself the right directly to destroy an innocent human being" (Donum vitae).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie3TH6Xy36k

 

I do not agree with abortion either but it has nothing to do with religion. Basing it on religion then it's obvious this god cared nothing about life. But that's neither here nor there. I guess my point being is that as long as people have a brain they are going to make choices that do not agree with the status quo. We all make unpopular choices everyday. But do we let those choices define who we are as human beings?

 

The more I researched the paranormal the more confusion I ran into regarding this topic:


http://community.humanityhealing.ne...-helen-wambach-ph-d-research-and-the-issue-of

NDE's, Walk Ins, The Helen Wambach Ph. D. research and the issue of abortion??????!!


Several years ago I noticed that many people in the New Age Movement were basically pro-choice partly due to some aspects of Helen Wambach Ph. D's research:

http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html

 

The situation faced by
the Machabees as they were attacked by Greco - Syrian armies on the Sabbath.....and decided to fight back is related to this question.
Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua's ....."is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?"

I believe that Rabbi Jesus was saying to the Pharisees that they were in no position to condemn their ancestors the Machabees
for fighting back when attacked on the Sabbath which relates to the day to day life of every soldier and policeman worldwide. As long as
a soldier or policeman does not fall into hatred they can take lives in defence of others....without committing either
murder or even breaking the Sabbath!??!!!

A young woman who feels that she needs to abort her child...in one sense is facing a similar situation to the Machabees or the
men and women at Masada who committed suicide. Their situation was extreme.....they made an extreme judgement within their set
of circumstances....that to the best of their ability seemed to fit with their reality.....I am in no position to look down on them for their
decision even if I disagree with what should have been done!

Women feel they are in the middle of an economic war and they usually decide on an abortion because they feel that they will
be condemned to a life of poverty if they have their child. I tend strongly to disagree with their judgment...but the reality of life
in most nations in 2013 tend to back up a feeling that a single mom in a sense tends to be a loser in the atmosphere of economic
warfare and extreme competition that still prevails on our beautiful planet!

If Christian churches would become more socially, politically and economically active there are ways that they could use our economic freedom to set up a response to present economic conditions that could perhaps inspire many pregnant women to keep their child. Perhaps this type of tactic could even be used to inspire many fathers to become more supportive of their children:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7701455/
North American churches should each have their own currency!

I am of the belief that each large church in North America should discuss the printing up of their own church currency unit such as has been done by a group of socially active citizens in Calgary, Canada with their CalgaryDollars.ca

Here is a good article on how important local currencies were during the Great Depression:


Whatcom Watch Online - Story Display
http://www.whatcomwatch.org/php/WW_open.php?id=717

Surely everybody who reads this article would agree that we have many advantages over the people who lived in Worgl, Austria during the Great Depression?!

If they can do it....why can't we?

 

I think many Christians believe doctors and Democrats are Satan.

 

What I see .. is that you had no response to any of the points I made other than to restate your premise . (Abortion is wrong)

If you have no legitimate support for your premise, and can not respond to arguments against your position .. perhaps its time to re-examine or change your position rather than accuse others of not being able to see what is in front of them.

 

I said: A human being is biologically a human being from the first cell to the grave. I said nothing about that choices are defining human beings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjK_mbbd8ko

 

Read what I wrote here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQsEcH3Hg10

 

That's only because we are idiots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGTrrnuzUBY