Students Who Refuse to Affirm Transgender Classmates Face Punishment

Why should that be?

 

If he kills himself as an adult then it's unfortunate that he refused to seek help for his mental illness - but letting them in a social deviant lifestyle is far more likely to end in a suicide.

No it's what happens when parents refuse to seek help for their children and let them go on thinking that mentally ill behavior is normal - and thereby encouraging bullying, social isolation, self-esteem issues, etc

Personally I would put my kid up for adoption before I'd ever let them go to school dressed as the opposite sex.

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Because mentally ill behavior should not be promoted as normal to kids in public school.

The same reason a kid wouldn't be allowed to go to school dressed in a Nazi Uniform.

 

Looks like villain's henchman in "Tomorrow Never Dies" in a yellow wig. I'd honestly rather beat off to Pierce Brosnan naked than that guy - and I'm not even gay.

On the flip side - I wonder how a teenage girl would feel about some perv dressing up as a woman whipping his d- out in the girl's locker room - just so he can see teenage girls naked.

 

With the high dropout rate of blacks and hispanics - is it any wonder? I bet if we ended the welfare culture of black and hispanic minorities, then we'd see a huge rise in education.

 

LOL...

No it doesn't.

Subjectivity is the foundation of the left's argument. Who gets to deciede whether their "self identification" is enough? You? The school administrators?

How about this concept. If you were born a girl, you are female. If you were born a male, you are a guy. Its that simple. Why do we have to complicate everything?

The law speaks nothing of excluding them.

Lets try to stick with facts, not resumptions, subjectivity, and rationalization.

 

Yeah but... if dressing up like a girl makes you a 'woman' - then why should a 'woman' be forced to shower with other boys just because 'she' was 'born with the wrong genitals'? Isn't that bigoted?

We need to allow transgendered males to shower in the girls' locker room - and if the girls don't like seeing their package, then tough beans - they're just bigots who need to learn to accept people who are different than them.

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They want to feminize the American male because they know that women are more likely to vote Democrat.

 

So if a girl wears jeans to school, or a boy's hair isn't sufficiently short for YOUR preferences, they should be expelled? You Fashion and Morals Police always want to run the show for other people!

As many parents would tell you, they have never "let" their child dress or act differently, most of these children will NOT act any other way.

Few parents "let" their children think this is "normal", and often NEVER accept their child. And it is homophobes,like so many on this thread, who "encourage" bullying.

That is mighty decent of you. Most parents just toss their kids out in the street when they refuse to conform to the parent's ideas.
But tell me, after the likely outcome that no one adopts your kids, do you just toss them in the street? Beat them bloody to get them to obey you? Maybe electroshock therapy to try to "straighten them ut? These are the common "getting help" for modifying kids we wish to forcibly change. Remember, its YOU who has the problem with these kids' behavior, these kids ONLY feel "right" when the behave according to their nature.

Acknowledging something to exist and setting a standard that other kids respect their classmates is NOT "promoting" mentally ill behavior. Do you SERIOUSLY think kids will cross dress every day just for fun because they see someone else do it? That boys need to be trained to want to be boys nad be protected from the very idea they might act like a girl?

Or maybe people who DO think that because it personally appeals to them to be the other sex, which would account for many of those who freak out about this so badly.

So someone slacks and a blouse and pumps, with longer hair and a little lipstick EQUALS a NAZI??? I'd say there is mental illness around her, but its not the transgender kids who have it.

 

Jeans and long hair are unisex dress styles and have been for 100s of years.

If it came down to it, I'd give my kid over to foster care before letting him go to school in a dress.

Though it never would because that's nonsense to begin with - no one's forcing the parent to bring ipstick and dresses into the house. Just give em a good spanking instead.

I respect even those parents more for standing true to their convictions, than I would a parent who encourages such a lifestyle.

Gender identity disorder is a mental illness and they should be taken to therapy, not encouraged to life a self-destructive lifestyle which encourages bullying and suicide.

The idea that these kids 'feel happy' like this is nonsense, they don't - the whole reason they hate the sex they are born with is because they have mental or self-esteem problems.

I'd personally be less embarrassed if my kid went to school in a Nazi uniform than in a dress.

 

"We" aren't complicating ANYTHING.

Nature has created this "complication" by creating children who absolutely identify and feel as completely different from their biological sex.

The law doesn't specify exclude walking down the halls naked, either, but is irrational, presumptuous, and a deliberate attempt to inflame by including something that is NOT part of the rule - boys showing their :junk: in the showers.

Bathrooms are private and don't involve involuntary exposure to other people of unwanted views of the opposite sex's body. In the singular case of a transgender female using the boys room that may have the open urinals, the transgender child will be using the stalls and won't be using those, so no boys will have to see a girl's a "junk".

Everybody can remain pure and innocent of the actual makeup of the opposite sex's body, which has so wonderfully prevented premarital sex, STD's, teen pregnancy and impure thoughts in America!.

 

Bogus. Prove that it's genetic. Psychologists say that it is a mental disorder.

 

Wow!

"Dr." Spacecricket has solved a conundrum that has eluded THOUSANDS of therapists, scientists, drug companies, and everyone else for what is a pretty intractable condition.

You will be rich AND famous!

Good job!

 

Actually I'd love to see you prove that transgenderism is genetic, since apparently you know more than psychologists do.

 

What does "genetic" necessarily have to do with it?

The human body and mind have enormous complexities beyond the basic genetic code, and a million possibilities of going wrong or going differently than "normal" what the basic genetic code specifies.

This attempted simplification of humanity's conditions by the Right's and Religions desire for a simple, no-thought-required black-and-white ONLY world is simply cruel for many and a type of mental laziness or deliberate ignorance to avoid thinking for one's self, or learning about other situations than one's own.

BTW, many gender issues are beginning to look like they have some roots in the hormone balances in the womb.

And this baby has genetic programming for two good arms and legs! It must be his parents who "encouraged" him to NOT grow them!

 

Delightfully sarcastic Spacecricket...lol.. well done.

fiddlerdave, you forgot that those organization's "approval" of the abnormal began precisely in 1973 when outside of science, gays, lesbians and transgender political militants stormed the APA convention, siezed the microphone and demanded to be removed from the DSM or else. The "or else" consists of threatening to commit suicide on a regular and predictable basis if they don't get their latest agenda approved socially, or conversely/alternately "zapping" politician in high places. Zapping is the exact phrase for blackmailing. Google it. Meanwhile, gay activists have been infiltrating the ranks of the APA and other medical organizations and pulling nothing short of an extension of that 4th-Reicht manuever in 1973 declaring that any professional dissent from "gay is OK" results in immediate expulsion from credentials and ability to practice medicine. Many doctors and psychologists know transgenders are off their nut, they just don't want to lose their license to practice...

So even if as many therapists and their clients attest to repartative therapy for those molested as children and experiencing artificial compulsions from those experiences is helpful and healing, even at the patient's request and begging for relief, any therapist who chooses to help that person find relief from their mental angst and no doubt what springs unwanted old memories on them day after harrowing day...may lose their license as a result of extending that compassion. I have yet to pin down the exact date when the AMA suspended the hippocratic oath and began condoning and assisting self-amputation to abet mental delusion [transgenderism]. Maybe someone else can track that down and give details on the rationale used to flip the AMA on its end?

So much for my respect for the APA....and all the "authentic professional support" for the opinion that GLBT armchair self-diagnosis is always healthy and OK..

 

This is the biggest sack of BS to date on PF, I think.

Blackmail? Infiltration? TOTAL CONTROL of ALL major psychiatric organizations? "Suicide of politicians for social acceptance"? And seriously, psychologists regularly have patients who commit suicide, do you REALLY want to try to maintain they would change their science to save a patient?

And I have known more than a few psychologists. Not a single one was someone I would consider would run from some protesters. Most would welcome the attention.

Sheesh. You've got he "fever" almost as bad as a Birther!

Your obvious equivocation and backpedaling, from the most irrational parts of your positions, no matter how deeply you try to bury it in verbage, is always amusing.

Here you now talk about ONLY "reparative therapy for abused children", based I am sure on your quite erroneous assertion that gay people are created by homosexual molestation. There is NOTHING that indicates that is true.

Indeed, many sexually abused people end UP with compulsions and unwanted behavior or negative mental thoughts, but NO ONE ANYWHERE, including homosexual rights groups, are suggesting these people be denied counseling and "relief", "begging for it" or not!. This is your OWN irrational straw man.

If someone's supposedly gay behavior and thoughts are from MOLESTATION, then they are NOT gay!

The ONLY "armchair self-diagnosis" going on over this issue is that of the homophobes like yourself, Spacecricket and the others.

REAL doctors regularly encounter totally intractable cases of gender disorder, and I haven;t seen a SINGLE indication that ANY mental professional ANYWHERE would make a first choice of PUSHING a child into gender dysfunction behavior. Absurd.

BTW, the true state of the ignorance about this issue is your continued insistence to equate "transgender" with "homosexual". Most homosexuals are GLAD they are males, and they are ATTRACTED to OTHER males. They would no more likely have ANY surgery to change sex than YOU!.

Transgender people, regardless of their sexual orientation gay or straight, feel like they ARE the other sex. And they are only given support for changing sexual roles AFTER being 100% obstinate and resolute int heri feeling of being the "wrong sex.". Most of these kid's parents are beside themselves and have tried EVERYTHING, including intense child corrective abuse, to have a "normal child"..

But like parents of troubled children, many just toss the child who disappoints them like this out in the garbage. Why not? Isn't that the homophobe meaning of "unconditional parental love"? (not)

 

Loving your kid doesn't mean you just let your kid do whatever they want. If my kid wanted to dress as the opposite sex I would not allow it and get them counseling, tough beans.

 

And in related news? Papal "zapping"? That's like gay militants cold-slapping the mafia. Holy ..see?

So if I'm reading this correctly, gays outside the See, infiltrated the ranks, luring certain roman catholics they suspected of being gay, into villas, a sauna and beauty salons, with the apparent intent of gathering dirt on these officials in order to zap the Roman Catholic Church into submission?

I suppose it's no coincidence that suddenly a push to legitimize gay priest and marrige for priests is right up front for Papal approval. This really is like a showdown between the devil and god! Wow! Those gay activists have balls...gotta give them credit for that. I wouldn't threaten the Roman Catholic Church. Have these gay activists not read about the Crusades?...

 

Kind of proving the point here, aren't you? You don't even know what masculinity is. You confuse it with bullying because your country is too feminized. It's lost the natural healthy balance of sexual polarity.

 

Very well said....... that's another part of this liberal insanity that makes my teeth rattle - the parents being kept in the dark about their kid.

I live in a liberal state - a couple yrs ago I read an article that a 14-15 yr old girl went to her counselor, told her she was pg and the school went behind the parents back and took her to an abortionist that day......

 

Is it mental laziness? Or is your own ego simply trying to rationalize your own pathologies? Do you realize that people who think like you have this pathological need to do this with every single topic under the sun? You have this deeply rooted need to read hidden meanings into everything because you cannot ever just accept the simple truth that a spade is a spade. You see more black people in prison than white people and immediately assume there must be some grand racist conspiracy instead of the obvious observation that black people are just committing more crime. You see great inequalies between rich and poor and you immediately assume it must be because rich people are taking advantage of poor people. It can't possibly be just because the rich are harder working or better at what they do. There always has to be more to it. There just has to be. It's the only way the world can make sense. You guys struggle mightily with Occam's razor.

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

 

I haven't heard of parents of gender dysfunctional children letting them do "whatever they want".

The ignorance of the Right onthis issue is astounding.

Generally these have expended HUGE resources on counseling, discipline, church going, prayer, brow beating and any and ALL kinds of attempts to stop the behavior.

"Getting counseling" was just one of the MANY things parents of children with GID try to do.

The REASON it is called a "disorder" is that for the kids who have it, it is a serious and clear condition that just does not simply "go away" when you disapprove of it. Do people really think that something that makes a kid start cutting off their OWN penis or breasts when they hit puberty is just a "lark"?

 

The lib public teachers aren't taking any chances with parent's indifference.

They refuse to tell mom and dad that little Tommy is using the girl's restroom just in case they don't approve.

 

Actually, the phrase "gender dysfuntional" could be seen as manifestation of self-hatred. That is, if psychologists were allowed to explore the various possibilities of its genesis, instead of being told, essentially, "shut up and get on board or lose your license.." "We have children needing therapy to help prepare them for amputation of healthy body parts in order to desperately and vainly escape their self-hatred!"

See, that's what happens when militant people with issues storm the APA and demand [outside science] to have themselves removed from the DSM. They begin to rationalize from their armchairs, self-diagnose and lash-out at anyone who disagrees with that self-diagnosis.. Some will even threaten suicide if their "isms" are explored too deeply as to cause... Those are symptoms of mental illness BTW. No healthy person fears or punishes anyone for simply asking how they got to be the way they are...

We are living in strange times. I only hope rational people can act in time to rein in this wild horse before it hurts everyone around, including itself..

 

"Sometimes a child with a serious case of Gender Identity Disorder, or autism, or anything else is just a child who is NOT going to get better JUST because YOU don't believe in his problem and are to lazy to actually research the HUGE amount of work parents and doctors have put into trying to deal with the issue."

 

Some cultures, like hindu ones for example, could explain that a child's delusions in this matter could spring from past life memories of being, and liking much better, the opposite gender s/he now finds himself or herself in. Still though, hindus would say that a person's lessons this time around mandate they become comfortable with their new identity because it affords them new opportunities to learn different perspectives. Not wanting to learn could just be a sign of laziness to do the work.

And if you don't subscribe to that eastern philosophy, you could simply explore the possibility that somewhere, someone taught this child to hate his or her gender by seeing horrors modeled before him or her in their own gender-role model, such as a mother or father, or just by a thousand subtle messages that his or her gender was somehow unacceptable. These "lessons" can start very early in life. In infancy in fact. But if we "go there" then the parents of these "gender confused" kids would have to join the therapy sessions and well...you know...they have an image to uphold and truckloads of their own denial systems to defend....

...and so on...