Students Who Refuse to Affirm Transgender Classmates Face Punishment

No one has told doctors that, and you have shown ZERO evidence of anyone doing it.

You don't even understand that Gender Identity Disorder is an entirely different issue than homosexuality.

People who dictate society's rules from armchairs who can't even crack a book to understand it are the cause of a lot of pain for people in this world.

This is still one of the weirdest assertions on PF, I think, that some protesters changed the WHOLE makeup of psychiatry, took over EVERY state board in the country, EVERY medical school, and EVERY major psychiatric association!

Geeez, if homosexuality make these people so POWERFUL, maybe we should spread it around even MORE!

Yes, the "wild horse" of some kid wearing a ribbon in his hair at school and being in a bathroom stall next to some other kid is simply going to DESTROY our society!

Of course, somehow we survived when there were one or two privies (right next to each other gasp!) for WHOLE CLASSES used by BOTH SEXES in the "Good Ol' Days" and yet somehow society survived!! Ain't it a wonder!

 

Pray tell, what does the DSM say about gender idendity disorder? Is it normal or considered a mental illness? And if considered a mental illness, what cure do they offer that won't get a therapist in hot water or lose his license to practice? Amputation? I'll await your answer...

 

Man, this is getting surreal!

WHAT do you THINK the DSM SAYS about Gender Identity DISORDER!?????

They recommend it be TREATED as much as possible. But the PROBLEM with Gender Identity DISORDER is MOST sufferers don't "get over it", it RULES their lives and is an OBSESSION to express themselves as waht they perceive to be their "proper " sexual identity (not sexual ROLE, some are gay, some are straight).

Very often, the sufferer just has to learn to accommodate their issue to greater and lesser degrees because there often IS NO "CURE" known to medical science. This may inlcude amputation, but part of the goal of many doctor's treatment is NOT "amputations", its finding a way to survive in the most healthy way.

 

No, I disagree. I think doctors aren't trying to help someone survive in the most healthy way if they don't aggressively promote that the person is suffering from delusions and treat him thusly. I spoke once to a very clever transgender...so clever he had fooled all his therapists into believing his was gender identity disorder when in fact he hated his gender because he had a small penis compared to the other boys in the school locker room. He admitted later that getting his penis amputated didn't take away his pronounced adam's apple or other male features. And he no longer had sexual sensation anymore. Trouble with incontinence too. In the end, he paid for his cleverness by outwitting his therapists to agree to his self-mutilation that left him to this day a depressed ruined person.

Pretty sure that doesn't qualify as surviving in "the most healthy way"...

 

Fine. Now that we've amused and astounded you, should the boys (defined as having penis) with this or that disorder be allowed to shower with the girls? Where do you personally stand on this issue?

 

And you still continue to amuse and astound me.

No, in regular public schools neither should physical boys shower with girls or physical girls shower with boys.

But boys with penises "showering with the girls" is not a plan that has been proposed by ANYONE.

That is not what the school is asking for, nor anyone else, either.


BTW, though, most of the nudist resorts I have been to have unisex bathrooms, and not only THAT, but children of ALL ages shower, walk around, eat lunch, play volleyball, run races, play chess and watch TV with other children of the opposite sex.

Every one of these kids seem perfectly fine, without a single rape, assault, bug-eyed staring or any of the other of the bizarre and nutcase behavior that so many Righties seem to think of being inherent in this kind of behavior. And perverted behavior that the Righties seem to think that they would be "helpless" to not indulge in, themselves.

Odd how when people are expected to be mature and rational, they usually are.

 

Exactly.

The objectors have still not given a reason why we can not have a sperate room for LGBT people in schools

 

Interesting how Conservatives who generally embrace genetic positions suddenly become all neo marxist when it comes to LGBT issues and blame nurturing.

I'd love to know what this condition 'lazyness is' I guess they don;t want to know because then there wouldbn't be a moral condition for them to beat out of their children.

What is it with conservatives and beating kids?

 

This demonstrates the delusions many armchair GID psychologists suffer from, they have paid no attention to the past.

For 100 years, treating GID cases EXACTLY as if they were "delusional" was how the whole medical community practiced. Many died in mental institutions, had their brains fried by electroshock "therapy" or their brains turned into mush by the crude psychotropic drugs they wielded like sledgehammers.

It didn't work. Pure and simple. THAT is why the idea of trying to help the person have the best life they could has spread as the recommended treatment AFTER therapy of ALL kinds does not work.

Unbelievable.

So when person fools doctors into giving him opiates for intractable pain he doesn't have and gets addicted, we should STOP giving opiates to EVERYBODY?

Nothing like putting the loosest screw in the drivers seat of our medical science.

 

According to the op it is.
From the first page

So basically your wrong.

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According to the op it is.
From the first page

So basically your wrong.

 

What an odd post.

You quote the OP, you bolded various sentences, but NONE of what you highlight indicates somebody "flapping the their penis in a SHOWER" is permitted by these rules!

A restroom does NOT equal a 'shower" or a "locker room". They are entirely different facilities. Sometimes locker rooms will have toilet stalls in them, but that does NOT mean that it is a "restroom", and in fact if someone went in the stall, there are not flapping ANYTHING at anyone else.

Further why you bolded the issue of referring to somone by their preferred designation is simply common courtesy and respect, NEITHER of which is very common among Righties, but still maybe they could learn someday.

 

I have a problem with this. Whilst pupils should certainly not be allowed to harrass or indult people for their chosen identty to demand their support is utterly wrong and evidence of group think. Frankly it is akin to Christians demanding that not only be there prayer in schools but pupils must affirm that 'Jesus is their personal lord and savior' and not even fundi christians have gone that far in public schools anywhere. There must be surely be a constitutionall objection to this

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I think a Third locker room/Bathroom area should be provided for those who chose not to fit into rigid stereotypes. It is WRONG that a male to female transgendered should be able to play on a girls sports team simply for reasons that they would have an unfair advantage.

That is perfectly acceptable

Again that is why there should be a third place

Again. separate space is appropriate
And any student who refuses to refer to a transgendered student by the name or sex they identify with could face punishment.

See above

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In my local swimming pool there is no male or female area at all. there are lockers and there are changing cubicles. There is no need whatsoever for separate changing facilities.

 

I, as a parent of a teenage girl, would be more than uncomfortable in knowing boys in her college use ladies restroom. And so will be my daughter. So, we now have a conflict between my daughter and TV crowd, who wants more perverted rights for themselves. And so does my daughter, protecting her rights to privacy. Law suits, anyone?

 

I asked Dave "Do the parents have a say" and he would not answer the question....or maybe I missed it. Dave seems to want parents to play no role in this policy.

 

Are you really suggesting that showers are the same as hallways in an attempt to make a point?

So.... what happens when a self identified female, who happens to have a penis, proclaims that it is unfair to force him to change clothes and shower with the guys?

Answer that simple questions Mr. Dave.

Reverse it, what about transgender girls using urinals?

We have separate and distinct bathrooms for sexes for a reason. You trying to claim that the bathrooms shouldn't matter, well hell lets just design buildings with one and everybody male and female use it. Is that what you are advocating for?

Or, we can stop with this (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid bleeding heart BS progressive agenda, that is nothing but destructive, and tell people with a penis or a vagina to deal with it.

All this "feelings" BS is ridiculous.

Time to grow up.

 

So you want to be discriminatory at the line that is showers?

Our "line" at the restrooms is "unfair". Your line at showers is acceptable.

Got it.

What a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid argument.

 

Well considering one of those generally requires everyone to be naked together, and the other doesn't, kinda makes it a reasonable argument.

 

If my child refused to acknowledge a self-hater mislabled "transgender" and got in trouble for it, I would sue the school system and win for engandering my child by coercing him to accept that mental conditions need society-assisted-delusion that lead to self-mutilation/amputation are "OK, healthy and fine". I'd win too. Medical people and psychologists cannot force mentally sane children to play along with mentally ill children, thereby passing on the lesson to mentally healthy children that "delusions are to be indulged & accepted" Parents in Massachusetts? Do it now.

 

They would just declare themselves butch transgenders.

 

Why shouldn't people be hysterical when such idiots are in control of he public schools?

 

Apparently, energized-opposition is only permissable in those promoting the GLBT Agenda. Anyone opposed to that must remain cordial, quiet and in the shadows or be labelled a "bigot" as reality itself unravels...

Naturally....


NOT.

 

Well, maybe the answer to this problem is for the school to put in a third, "common" bathroom. I've seen those at service areas.

 

Well that could, but at the same time I don't believe that students should be allowed to cross-dress in schools at all - in fact I don't think it should be legal for the parents of any minor to allow their child to cross dress in public - it should be considered child abuse and a crime.

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Well that could, but at the same time I don't believe that students should be allowed to cross-dress in schools at all - in fact I don't think it should be legal for the parents of any minor to allow their child to cross dress in public - it should be considered child abuse and a crime.

 

No, that's not the answer and never will be. The answer is to end the charade and stop playing along with dangerous mental delusions and encouraging our children and subsequent generations to alter the fabric of reality itself to accomodate the insane. They either get OK with their junk or they go through extensive psychotherapy for as many decades as it takes to help them accept reality on its, not their terms...

 

Well but on the flip side - if a person can just cross dress and be recognized as a 'woman' and allowed in the women's locker room, then wouldn't be forcing him to cover his package be 'discrimination' - why should he have to cover up if none of the 'other women' do just because he happens to be born with the wrong genitals?