1.no your just afraid of the truth, been brainwashed by our corrupt school system and only see what you WANT to see which is why you will ignore all these facts as we both know.there were many people who came forward who gave versions different than the governments who wound up dying in mysterious deaths. 2.some witnesses to the tippet shooting reported seeing TWO men fire at tippet and their descriptions did not fit oswald.neither did the descrptions of the few witnesses who said they saw oswald in the 6th floor window.matter of fact,a film taken of the event that was focused on the 6th floor window,shows TWO figures moving around. 3.oswald was sure nonchalent about getting in position and getting up there to shoot the president in the fact that his limo was suppose to arrive at 12:20 where a witness in the book depository said she saw oswald at 12:25 in the second floor room drinking a coke and the limo was running late and did not arrive till 12:30 TEN MINUTES LATE!!. so oswald is all of a sudden a psychic and knows Jfk is going to run late all of a sudden? your funny. 4.witnesses claimed the warren commission altered many of their testimonys,a crime itself that the commission members should have all gone to jail for:yep,no conspiracy there. the most important one they altered was sandra stiles and another girl who gave testimony they were walking down the stairs in the same timeframe the commission said oswald went down the stairs.in later years after refusing to admit their time frame was wrong,they received harrassment by the police and eventually changed their names and address to get away from that harrassment. 6.witnesses that were there that day have come forward years later identifying themselves in the photos that they were there that day saying they saw a rifleman behind the picket fence.they kept quiet because of all the people who started dying who gave versions different than the governments.they are old and no longer afraid of them anymore and they are talking.Plus Grodens book THE KILLING OF A PRESIDENT indeed shows a pic of a rifleman behind the picket fence.you cant find it on the computer but its in that book. 7.many photographer experts have concluded the zapruder film has been altered which is why you dont see Greer the driver who had connections to to the CIA,turn around and fire the fatal head shot to the head. some of the surgeons said that the bullet that killed him came from a HANDGUN shot at close range so the driver indeed did it.the man behind the picket fence was a diversion to get everyones attention away from him. 8.they have also concluded the autopsy photos were altered as well. 9 at least two days before the assassination,Rose Cheramie,a lady whom a highway police officer found off to the side of the highway dumped from a car in Lousiana,was taken into a hospital and told the doctors while she was still awake before they sedated her,that there was a plot of MEN traveling to dallas to kill Kennedy.the doctors did not take her seriously since they found her to be on drugs but after the assassination,they then took her serious and notified the dallas police and of course she later on died mysteriously after that.How conveinient for the warren commission,yep no conspiracy there. 10.all the dallas doctors said the head wound and neck wound were both ENTRANCE wounds. 11.you clearly dont know anything at all about the laws of physics since a persons head goes FORWARD if shot from behind.Not ony have many people come on before and posted in the JFK section saying they are hunters and have never seen an animals head go backwards when shot from behind,but an experienced sniper from vietnam who had several DOZEN of sniper kills and was one of the most highly decorated,wrote a book about it as well saying he has never seen a mans head go backwards after shooting them from behind. 12.oh and this photo clearly shows this marine sniper and myself unlike you people who are in denial and have been brainwashed by the media,know what we are talking about in the fact his head is going forward after being shot from behind as well.the proof is in the pudding. http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/slow-musso_h_GIFSoupcom.gif 13.finally, the hughes film which was taken in dealy plaza by cant remember his first name but last name was Hughes,his film was focused on the alleged 6th floow window and close up photos that have been shown at seminars in dallas over the years show closeups taken seconds before,during,and after the shooting and there is NOBODY in that window!!!!!! Now if you were saying he was PART of a conspiracy,you would have a case because of these facts below of unnaccountable bullets found at the scene and photographed but as I just proved,that falls apart as well cause of the testimony of the two ladies going down the stairs in the same timeframe the warren commission said oswald went down. 14.these are the facts you cant get around that there WAS a conspiracy. love the logic of the lone nut theorists.the warren commission was so biased of an investigation its a sick joke It doesnt even touch on many key facts such as several of the witnesses testimony were altered by the warren commission,itself an illegal act,or the many unnaccountable bullets found that day like an entrance shot to the windshield that forensic officers said was an indeed an entrance shot,or the bullet photographed in the doorframe,or the one on the curb that was replaced two days later and plastered over with,or the one on the street marked by an officer,and the one in the street sign seen in the zapruder film that witnesses saw which was taken down and replaced a day later, or the one where a police officer is seen picking it up one off the grass and putting it in his pocket and walking away with it illegally removing evidence and according to two women, they altered the testimony of two theirs of having gone down the same stairway the warren commission said oswald went down during the same timeframe.altering their timeframe they gave. again they altered many witnesses testimony.a crime itself. you all are also ignorant of the testimony of Rose Cherimae, whom you see in the beginning of the film JFK she was a woman found on the side of a highway in Louisiana by a highway patrol officer who was taken to a hospital and told doctors a couple days before the assassination that there was a plot to kill kennedy.that there were MEN traveling to dallas to kill kennedy.they did not take her serious at first because she was found to be on drugs, but after the assassination,they then took her seriously and called the dallas police,and how conveinent for the government that she ended up dying mysteriously after that. many witnesses who came forward and gave testimony that did not fit the governments version of events ended up dying mysteriously.in fact,some witnesses kept quiet for many years because they were afraid of winding up as mysterious deaths if they camer forward and talked about a gunman they saw firing a rifle behind the picket fence.Now they are old and close to death so they dont care anymore and are no longer afraid. you lone nut theorists have no answers for any of these facts. so you ready to do the mature thing right now and admit defeat? If not,that just shows your immature and are afraid of the truth because you were just taken to school now and had your arse handed to you on a platter. simple as pie to do with lone nut theorists.somehow I doubt you will be mature and admit you have nbo evidence that oswald was the lone assassin though.bet people seem to cowardly hide behind the computer since they know they are safe from public ridcule.
Johnson and Dick Nixon were war criminals and mass murderers,no doubt about that.they were mass murderers of 58,000 americans.again you can fool others here with your pitiful lies but they wont work on me.thats why your obsessed with me and wont address anybody else obviously.hee hee.tell your bosses you failed miserably trying to derail this thread.lol.
your bosses have for sure sent you here and told you to make up lies because you fail miserably.unlike you,I HAVE read the documents and studied vietnam extensively and if you had bothered to read through the links I posted and what others have posted here as well,you would see clearly you are rambling and clueless. Its a well known FACT that he met with Macarthur and consulted him on vietnam and when Macarthur himself said vietnam was a war that could not be won,that was enough for him that his suspecions about it were right and all the documents show that what he told his aides that he was going to completely withdraw from vietnman after the election were true.His aides all said that he told them he was going to pull out completely after the election,that he could not do it before the election or it would look like he was soft on commuism and through documents recovered in the 90's through a freedom of information act,we know know that to be true.if you had bothered reading my links i posted on this and what others have said that have backed me up on this on this thread,you would know thats true but you dont even try and counter what others say,you just post lie after lie cause you cant face it you have been brainwashed and CLEARLY dont know what your talking about. you lost your credibiliey right here in this first post with this lie that he wasnt goinf to pull out to he won,you lose and you have no credibility and are just committed to lies obviously.again tell your bosses you have failed miserably to try and derail this thread and have fun talking to yourself.im done taking your bait and feeding you.
Have you studied it as hard as say ... grammar? If so, why can't you even spell the name of the country correctly? Back to the books with you.
someone here cant take a clue and understand what this means below and also cant remember anything obviously. This message is hidden because Hannibal is on your ignore list.
These fantasies are planted in order to discredit any true investigation. If you've heard of one, ignore it. Have you ever heard of my theory that the assassination was demanded by the Russians before they would pull their missiles out of Cuba and look like cowards before the whole world? No, you haven't. You don't listen to common sense, you only listen to what is presented to you. If a theory hasn't been published, it doesn't exist. It is childish and ignorant to think that the Russians would have settled for just removing American missiles from Turkey. The pity is that a spoiled, sheltered heirhead loose cannon like JFK was as sure of himself in his own fantasy view of the world.
An insignificant nutter with a rifle shot and killed a prominent personage. There is nothing whatsoever incredible about that, but some folks demand proportionality, and so are singularly vulnerable to grand fantasies and utterly immune to objective analysis.. They will cling to whichever of the many they happen to favour tenaciously, and should occupy themselves by disputing the competing conspiracy theories of others.
thanks for proving and showing everyone at this forum you have no debating skills,are afraid of the truth, and only see what you want to see.Like all lone nut theorists who have been brainwshed by the corporate controlled media. Like clockwork,you did what they ALWAYS do when confronted by all these overwhelming facts and evidence you cant refute,make a cowardly post like this in defeat.congrats.excellent rebutall to those facts and evidence of mine I posted not even trying to refute them.no surprise since you know as well as i do,you got your arse handed to you on a platter. you just do the cowardly thing,hide behind the computer in defeat.its so easy for net people to act cowardly and run away from the facts knowing they cant refute them.you guys would be laughed out of a debating hall in MINUTES without even trying to counter those facts.hee hee. next frady cat lone nut theorist want to give it a shot and at least try and refute my facts? somehow I doubt it. you'll only make yourselves look like a fool like he did and be forced to ignore the facts like he did as well.hee hee.
I never claimed that those that fancy any of the various conspiracy theories were amenable to reason. Cling to whichever ones strike your fancy. (I'm most amused by the Joe DiMaggio Did It!, but, hey, they're all fun. Take your pick.)
Richard Pavlick, who failed in his attempt to kill Kennedy, was a lone nut. Oswald, who succeeded, was part of a conspiracy. Ironic.
well your at least more reasonable than the lone nut theorists in denial who only see what they want to see. Your post is much more reasonable than the lone nut theorists who desperately grasp at straws in defeat as evidenced on this thread because you at least know the truth that there WAS a conspiracy involved. the lone nut theorists are so ignorant about our REAL history that they dont realise that even the house select committe on assassinations investigation in the 70's even concluded that you are much closer to the truth than the lone nut theorists who have come on this thread and rambled on and ignored facts of a conspiracy in the fact even they themselves concluded the warren commission was wrong and that there indeed was a second shooter involved. thinking americans were able due to some of the early pioneers in research,conclude the truth that there was a conspiracy so there was so much outrage from them that a new investigation was formed in the 70's and like i said,even they concluded the warren commission was wrong and that there was a another shooter involved.It was a much more serious investigation but it also wasnt committed to the truth either because my post on post # proves that oswald was innocent and there was never a shread of evidence against him. the lone nut theorists are so much in denial they dont realise how stupid their insane ramblings with no evidence to back it up that oswald was the lone assassin. again your post is far more reasonable than the last two lone nut theorists that have come on here and made themselves look like fools denying the facts there was at least ano other shooter involved. - - - Updated - - - so in short,Prometheus Bound has NO EVIDENCE to disprove my facts I posted in post #101 that Oswald was innocent and there was a conspiracy and cant get out of his fantasy world he lives in.
so in short translation is Natty Bumpo has NO evidence to refute my facts and evidence posted in post # 101 and is brainwashed and afraid of the truth.
Obviously, you'll believe what you wish to believe. Vincent Bugliosi discredited all the popular conspiracy confections in his Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, so I see no need to bother. As I mentioned, my personal favourite is that "Joe DiMaggio Did It!" one, but you are welcome to yours. Enjoy.
How ignorant to think that the Russians wouldn't demand a higher price from the CIA for being laughed at as cowards before the whole world. Do you really think that they would have been satisfied with the parts of the crisis resolution that were publicly revealed? And I don't have an anti-Communist hidden motivation. JFK almost caused World War III with his preppy tough guy act. He deserved to die. That kills the "deathbed confession" rebuttal. Why should anybody involved in getting rid of this loose cannon have any guilt feelings about the assassination?
As I have said, all are free to content themselves with whichever of the conspiracy stories they fancy, several of them, or all of them. What you are unable to do is deny that an insignificant nutter with a rifle can kill a prominent personage, even though you demand something far more elaborate.
As I have said, the theories you refer to have all been placed by the ruling class. I despise people who get anywhere in any medium. Their 6th Grade grammar proves that the rulers have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to get these fake conspiracy theorists to work for them. I have never heard my theory anywhere and neither have you, so don't associate me with these moronic fakes and richkid-lovers. JFK had no more talent than Oswald, so your label of "insignificant" is insignificant. "Prominent" implies merit, so you are swallowing that line too from the Preppy Republic. As with most slaves to authorized sources, you misuse words, such as can. So what if somebody "can" do something? The WTC crashes "could" have been just planes off course. Just like that planned attack, the JFK assassination was too elaborate and was part of the deal to resolve the Cuban Missile Crisis. By the way, as also part of that deal with the CIA, the KGB deposed Khrushchev. That deal saved the world from nuclear destruction.
the lone nut theorists here can only sling crap in defeat like monkeys and whine in defeat as well is are they are left do here I see Crankshaft at least is reasonable in his posts even though he is off target as well.at least he doesnt ignore those pesky facts the desperate lone nut theorists here keep slinging crap in defeat on in their desperate attempts to try and save face knowing they are defeated. the truth scares them so they obviously only see what they WANT to see.Crankshaft at least has one foot in the door and is close to the truth.
btw what kind of poll is this anyways,I mean the first two options are the same as are options 3 and 4.sheesh.
You misunderstood that post. I agree with the report by the House Select Committee on Assassinations. If you are putting all Lone Gunmen people on ignore, I belong in that group.
Now wait a minute.you're not making any sense here.If you were familiar with the House Select Committe on Assassinations investigation in the 70's,THEY concluded the warren commission was wrong,that there was a second shooter involved. If you are going to say that you agree with those two posters that can only sling crap in defeat like monkeys and ignore evidence and facts that there was indeed a conspiracy to kill Kennedy and that oswald was innocent as I proved in post # 101 on page 11 that they they have no answers for and could not counter,then you need to say you agree with the WARREN COMMISSION REPORT since again the HSCA investigation in the 70's did not agree with them and said there was a second shooter. If you have been brainwashed like those two posters have that oswald was the lone assassin like the fairy tale warren commission said he was,then you need to face facts that you were brainwashed by the CIA controlled media we have today now and had then because again,post # 101 on page 11 has overwhelming facts and evidence in it that there was a conspiracy to kill kennedy and there was never a shread of evidence that oswald did it. If you dont try and refute those facts and cant admit there was a conspiracy and never any evidence against oswald,then like those two,you are also in denial and afraid of the truth and only see what you want to see because that post clearly proves a conspiracy and oswald was exactly what he said he was,a patsy.Nobody has attempted to debunk it cause they know they cant. You like them also sjipped junior high school science classes because to accept the warren commission that oswald did it is ignoring the laws of physics. many people have come on here before in the past saying they dont believe the warren commission because they are hunters and have never seen an animals head go BACKWARDS when shot from the back and like I said earlier before that got blatantly ignored and always does by the oswald apologists, a decorated marine sniper who had dozens of kills in vietnam,he wrote a book about it saying when he got back from vietnam and he heard how oswald killed him from behind,he knew that was complete B.S and the fact that all his kills he rememered vividly there head always went FORWARD when shot from behind and that link in that post of mine proves thats what indeed happens when you are shot from behind and that marine was not lying. better go back to juniour high school and bone up on the laws of physics.
You're being a bit dishonest. On the Kennedy assassination, the HSCA concluded in its 1979 report that Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at Kennedy. The second and third shots Oswald fired struck the President. The third shot he fired successfully killed the President. They also concluded that there was possibly a second shooter, but those shots missed entirely. They agree with the single bullet theory. Read it.
Wait... what? You MUST be trolling. Nobody on Earth can read the report made by the House Select Committee on Assassinations and claim it states there was definitely a conspiracy to kill Kennedy. There is a section in that report that explains why they cannot say the Kennedy assassination was a definite conspiracy. You might believe it was a conspiracy and you might say it was a conspiracy, and that's fine, but to say that the above report says Kennedy was killed as a result of conspiracy is wrong. You should at least read that report before you start blandly misstating their conclusions. Obviously, you do NOT agree with the HSCA report. Among other things, they said Oswald and Oswald alone fired the shots that killed Kennedy Oswald owned the rifle that fired the shots Oswald's first shot missed Oswald's second shot went through Kennedy's throat Oswald's third shot hit Kennedy in the head One of Oswald's bullets was the "magic bullet" that wounded Connally Oswald fired from the sixth floor window of the southeast corner of the Texas School Book Depository Building The alphabetical agencies of the U.S. were not involved in a plot to kill Kennedy Russia was not involved in a plot to kill Kennedy Cuba was not involved in a plot to kill Kennedy Organized crime was not involved in a plot to kill Kennedy You cannot possibly agree with the HSCA report if you don't think Oswald shot Kennedy. I've been through some of your threads in the past couple of days and see you are so closed minded that it's unbelievable. I see that responding to you with any information that doesn't go along with your theory is a lost cause. I also see I've wasted two minutes of my life responding to you. You make no attempts to debate or educate anyone who thinks differently than you, responding with personal attacks and information that is so incorrect that you MUST be doing it on purpose. Your previous post is an example. I can confidently predict your next post will be no different. Your faith in the strength and capability of the U.S. government is commendable, and I wish I could say I believed in their infallibility as much as you.
The important thing is that he was assassinated as part of the deal to prevent World War III over the Cuban Missile Crisis. Oswald could have been the lone assassin under that scenario, betrayed by the people who set him in place. But all the complications of the event makes me believe that the CIA, in order to confuse people, brought in Cubans betrayed at the Bay of Pigs, the Mafia, the ultra-Right extremists such as H.L. Hunt, and Leftist kooks like Oswald.
