Part IV Post your tough Questions on Christianity

Slaves were instructed to follow their masters instructions as they would god's. Nowhere in the bible does jesus or god condemn slavery. The admonition to obey was also taken as an endorsement of slavery by slave owners. You'll note that despite your interpretation, the Church did not think that the bible condemned slavery since it supported the practice for the next 1800 years or so.

Exactly my point. One's sense of what is right and wrong is what empowers us to stand up against wrongdoings. Not our belief in god. Is a buddahist any less moral for not believing in God? Faith TELLS you what to believe is right and wrong.

An Atheist moral code is something the atheist must determine for themselves, a far harder and much more rigourous process than simply accepting what you religion tells you.

So atheists can't do good or be progressive? As for being progressive, you surely can't mean that. Religion has been a mill stone around the neck of science for centuries. You recall a little period of time called the dark ages? Gallileo sure got the short end. And let's not get started on the vilification of darwin. I see absolutely no evidence that faith is progressive.

Absolute nonsense. Where have "we seen" atheists come up with rules to justify almost anything? Where have you seen such nonsense as rape may not be rape? Where have you seen these rules and regulations that would confiscate an old womans savings? I have see religious people talk about "legitimate" rape and I have seen "religious" people con old woman out of their savings by selling them holy water, and healing manna and all kinds of CDs and books etc. I haven't once seen or heard an atheist talk about legitimate rape, nor have I seen them extort money from old ladies by exploiting their "faith".

This is an appalling attitude. Your morals, your desire to do good, are predicated on fear of eternal consequence. What you are saying is that if it wasn't for this fear of enternal consequence you wouldn't be moral. YOu would not do good, you would inflict pain and suffering on those around you. You know what? I am truly relieved that your faith prevents you from being the person you think you really are.

Uhm, not to put too fine a point to it, but all humans are responsible for their own actions. It just seems that God extorts his faithful to behave in a certain fashion or he assigns them to eternal damnation. Seems the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

Handle it properly? By shame, ostracization, ridicule, deprivation of basic human/civil rights, refusal to acknowledge it isn't a lifestyle choice? Doing the right thing? What a joke. You call this moral? It is hateful and even spiteful.

What you are telling me is your god is such a great guy, he even supplies you with examples of immorality and depravity for you to vilify, humiliate and pity.
When is he held to account for his actions and commands?

Men created systems for men to operate and those men chose their path. Morals existed long before anyone on this earth had heard of SoloGod (jehovah, jaweh, allah). The invention of civilization INCLUDED and REQUIRED a moral code of what was right and wrong - it arose from our innate sense of justice, a necessity to co-operate and interact, a process of resolving disputes and the desire to protect family and possessions.

Only solution? No atheist blames god for earthquakes or hurricanes or cancer. Atheists blame GOD and its religions for a lot of injustice perpetrated on non believers, a lot of death and misery, a lot of hardship and intellectual and knowledge retardation.

No, an atheist views life as a glorious process from beginning to end. An opportunity to live, laugh, love, learn, build, explore, create, and dream. No god needed in any of that. No promise of immortality. No requirement for absolution. No requirement to believe any one elses dogma. Humanity is quite capable and perhaps even more empowered without this blind reliance of the existence of any God.

 

Ok, always so DEMANDING for an answer and if an answer is given you get upset, here is your answer; As I have pointed out before many times Christianity and science work hand in hand and so far base on science no life in other universe = God has finish His creation everything is left to man and the universe to take its course. Scientist have slowly discover how a planet is form or theorise how a galaxy came about. So if you just want a yes or no the answer is NO.

Yes stars are made from hydrogen and all other stuff and what or who created hydrogen, who created the process of hydrogen the hydrogen, gravity and all other materials that would combine to form a star, in beginning there is darkness;
Genesis 1:
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

This is how it all begun that is why stars keep forming thanks to God for creating those essential ingredients to get the process going. Example: an automated factory that require very little human operator because the early engineers created machines with all the essential parts to be self operational.

Since you understand that everything started from something then what or who started it, started the whole process?
There will be no nothing left, this is the reason why God created humans so that humans can continuously expand life all over the universe.
Do you believe that there will be nothing left one day? I don't, maybe our earth will explode but our soul will live on.

 

Thanks for understanding and for your support. I appreciate it.

 

What kind of creatures need the threat of an afterlife to treat other humans and perhaps animals with respect and honor? That is somehow morally wrong.

 

We now have evidence that Exodus did happen in 1362BC, and the world wide "flood" was necessarily written with the hyperbole useful in the Literary Arts when an analogy must replace a more direct statement of facts, like we find in Gulliver's Travels, for instance.

The "flood" was like waters of mankind migrating Out-of-Africa 40,000 years of "days and nights" ago, while Neamderthal man went extinct, and Modern Homo sapiens spread over all the globe, even to the tops of the mountains.

 

Fascinating.
You don't know it, but you just professed to being a Deist, not a Christian.
Deism is the theology that God is a creator god and then He is hands off, letting the universe take care of itself, which is exactly what you are stating here.
You are constantly surprising people on this thread.
Often jaw-droppingly so.

 

Please share the evidence for the Exodus, using a citation. Very interested to see this breakthrough.
Did God whisper your novel interpretation of the flood to you in a dream, or did some apologist make that up in utter desperation?

 

Huh?????

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Their evidence is "It's in the BIBLE! Look it up dumbass!"

 

What evidence might that be?

Yeah, sorry, you can claim that, but I see no analogy or metaphor being made during the Flood.

 

Thank you for information and the link which I will read.

I suggest that you add the genetic evidence that has recently surfaced about Aaron, the brother of Moses, which supports this archeology you refer us to.
Exodus states that the sons of aaron would be the priest or Kohans forever after Exodus.
These men calling themselves Cohan are stillwith us today.

Genetic studies verify that they are ll related to just one man who atually lived around 1362 AD, or the figure you supplied from your own sources.
In addition to that, archeology inthis Age reveals the unusual and hidden fact that monotheism DID appear for the first in history in Egypt around 1362AD.
The story was hidden by the Pharaoahs who followed the Pharaoh, (Akhenaten or Amenhotep IV, 1379-1362 BC), of that now weird and amazing incident called The Age of Amarna.

 

Hmmm...

I propose that the reader of Genesis can choose to discount the Bible because his reading comprehension ignores the need for the writer to find some acceptable way to describe events way too unacceptable to any reader at the time, in spite they are true and ought be included in the story of the creation if God is going to tell that story.

The other choice is for the fair minded and open ended reader to assume that the "flood" story contains evidence and facts that support it is really about things no one could have imagined was even possible before just this Age.

The argument made for anaolgy or metaphorical presentation of the actual Out-of-Africa event find support in paleontiolgym where well known and credentialed scientists have already used the Noak's Ark idea to title the facts they put together about the extinction of Neanderthal and the appearance and distribution of the three racial stocks of some "Noah's three "sons."

www. anthro.palomar.edu/homo2/mod_homo_4.htm


The replacement model of Christopher Stringer and Peter Andrews:
This hypothesis is also referred to as the "out of Africa", "Noah's ark" and "African replacement" model.

All other lines of humans that had descended from Homo erectus presumably became extinct.
From this view, the regional anatomical differences that we see among humans today are recent developments--evolving mostly in the last 40,000 years.


AND IN ADDITION....

Genetic evidence revealed in 2011 claims that all people alive today are RELATED to just one man (Noah?) who lived @40,000 years ago.

 

That isn't the only other choice and it seems like that would be the most outlandish choice that you could possibly make. Why would anybody assume that Noah's Flood refers to something that only people at a certain point thousands of years later would understand?

Yeah, and people called the Higgs Boson the "God Particle", but that doesn't mean it is at all related to the Bible or God.

 

If you do not believe there is life after death then you have nothing to fear you can freely and with comfort do bad things or good things depending on how you define good and not worry about anything might as well enjoy life the way you see fit while you are still alive, right. But as far as the creatures that we should feel threaten in after life are the demons.

 

Of course you will consider my simple straigthforward answer as jaw-dropping because you don't understand God. Your understanding of God is that God has to baby sit every humans and provide everything to them, and to reveal how the universe is created or man for that matter.

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There you go, READ, READ and I repeat READ

 

You're a boob, not even worth talking to.

 

Would you perhaps consider not diverting the thread by discussing how a dictionary functions ?

If you wish to discuss how dictionaries function then start a thread on that topic.

As usual you fail to address questions put to you and resort to diversionary tactics.

 

I asked some time ago for you to give a list, or even one or two examples, of tough questions that you have answered.

Is it that you think tough questions are stupid or is it that you just do not have any answers ?

 

Don't let the most disingenuous of trolls get to you.

He once claimed that there was no objective empirical evidence for the freezing point of water.

 

They have an unnatural desire to end the species and drag others along with them. Heterophobes answer that with the fact that we no longer need population growth to survive. However, those who have such a formerly destructive urge must have always had other destructive urges. It's not limited to one thing, just as bestiality shows a sick character in addition to the sick sexual preference. Or else we'd have no reason to outlaw it, would we? Or is its banning just some "religious prejudice, desire to bully people, or repressed desire to do the same thing?" All your insulting accusations against your opponents show a desperate attempt to avoid being exposed as a genuine threat to society.

Heterophobia naturally leads to pedophilia. Again, you make the mistake of comparing it to heterosexuality, which is attracted to mature women and has no more desire for little girls than it has for ugly women. The experience of mankind does not agree with your sneaky attempts at comparing apples and oranges, or other fruits. Mankind has an instinctive knowledge about what this perversion leads to and condemns its practice because a raped generation loses the will to live, which is another way perverts are driven to end the species.

 

Thank you, your answer is no to life being created elsewhere. I disagree with that but I cant fault you for your opinion. In response to your asking who or what created Hydrogen. That is the question. No one on Earth knows for certain the origin of the big bang. We know it happened but not how it happened. That doesnt mean God did it, but it also doesnt mean God didnt do it, or a flying unicorn with purple ears for that matter. The issue is in saying a flying unicorn with purple ears definitely did it. You have zero evidence that it did or didnt. Same as saying God did it. Now in response to your humans can continuously expand over the universe. Thats the right notion but most likely exactly backwards. What fits your non evolution theory better is that man exists elsewhere in the universe and was brought here to populate the earth. I firmly believe life in the universe is ubiquitous. Based on the sheer statistics there has to be. For all you know life started on earth from an asteroid impact that carried organisms that then "seeded" the earth. In my theory life is more like a virus that spreads everywhere. Since you believe in God dont you think if God did in fact create the universe it makes more sense that God would ensure life is everywhere. This is where we fundamentally disagree. I believe life is the gift, you believe afterlife is the gift. If creationism is true then the most beautiful part is the gift of life. If not why would god create such a vast Universe only to seed one lonlely tiny tiny spec of rock. Your god requires worship and sacrafice, my god requires nothing more than to respect life and enjoy the gift of life.

 

They have no more desire to end the species than religious fanatics who want the rapture to come. They have no desire to drag others along ... at least not like rapture mongers.

Population growth will end society as we know it if the rate of increase is not slowed. That is scientific fact. You should be thanking gays for doing their part to help out.

They certainly do not try and prevent others from having children.

This argument is so dumb it hurts.

Since you have not shown the gay urge to be destructive.... this statement is logical fallacy.

Even if you did show it was destructive it would still be logical fallacy. Non sequitur.

After rambling on some more you never do get to defining what you mean by perversion.

1) define what you mean by pervert ... don't need a monologue ... just what the term means to you.

Heterophobia does not lead (naturally or otherwise) to pedophilia anymore than Homophobia leads to pedophilia.

Most gays are not pedophiles just as most straights are not pedophiles.

OK ...

lets start with Question 1. I just want to know what you mean by perversion.

 

In order to claim that an entity called God did anything it's first necessary to believe that such an entity exists. Now, if such an entity exists it should be able to manifest itself. So let it come forth in all its reputed splendor and glory. What is it afraid of? According to the fairy tales such creatures used to show themselves all the time. Why should we have to settle for the claims made by some ancient unknown nutty people that such creatures as gods exist?

 

Quote Posted by Akhlut:
Earth currently has ~1.3 billion cubic kilometers of water on it. To flood the entire earth, you need an extra ~4.5 billion cubic kilometers. Where's the extra 4.5 billion cubic kilometers?
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If you claim that earth has now 1.3 billion cubic kilometers of water on it, then it stands to reason that during the time of Noah just before the global flood the earth must have contained water that was 3/10 of that figure of 1.3 billion cubic kilometers.

But that's just basing it on the ratio you have presented on what it would take to flood the entire earth given what it has prior to a global flood. and I might add it's just mere speculation. The only one who truly knows the answer is of course God. That would be one of the questions I would like to ask Him one day and I hope He doesn't mind giving me an answer...lol

But to answer your question as to where is all the extra water, the answer is the ocean basins were deepened after the flood to provide adequate storage space for the additional waters. Let's look at Scripture that supports this answer.

"You clothed the earth with floods of water, water that covered even the mountains. At your command, the water fled; at the sound of your thunder, it hurried away. Mountains rose and valleys sank to the levels you decreed. Then you set a firm boundary for the seas, so they would never again cover the earth." Psalm 104:6-9 NLT

 

Quote Posted by Akhlut:
Firstly, the entirety of the following assumes YHWH is real. I don't actually think YHWH is real, for much the same reason as I doubt the existence of werewolves, leprechauns, Ymir, or Amateratsu.
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Well everyone has their beliefs/non-beliefs. I certainly don't believe in werewolves, leprechauns, Ymir or Amateratsu.

They certainly don't impress me one bit! but when it comes to Almighty God, the Creator of the universe and everything that exists, that is when I am certainly profoundly impressed!

And so needless to say I certainly believe in Almighty God, the Creator of the universe and everything that exists!

 

Quote Posted by Akhlut:
So, YHWH is a failure at fashioning things. Awesome to know.
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No, God is not a failure. How could He be when He is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, perfectly Holy, fair and righteous, all-loving, merciful... have I left anything out?...lol

Man's failures through the ages cannot be blamed on God. It is man who has been a failure, this failure all started when man first disobeyed God.

When you disobey God, you are doomed to failure.