Income inequality in America...I want your thoughts on this.

But you responded to every single one of my points. You're obviously doing a very bad job of avoiding me.

Being under a democratic republic is suppose to protect autonomy. This means that the rights of the minority are protected, although the majority wants something to change. The normal taxation on the rich was never over 70%. Those are only war time taxes. And America has no default culture. I'm guessing you have never heard of the American melting pot.

Your mindset is stuck in the 50's. Although the education in America was much better back then than it is now, you have proven to be not a smart individual.

That is government by the masses. When the majority forces it's wishes on the minority, that is mob rule. If the minority has no say on how to live their own lives, that is mob rule.

This is probably the dumbest thing you've ever said. They're not imposing a 35% tax on you. They're imposing it on those who make enough income to fall under that tax bracket. How exactly is it tyrannical for you if you don't want a law which doesn't retroactively effects you? It's equally stupid if you say it's tyrannical to enact a law making gay marriage legal if majority of Americans doesn't want it. Or tyrannical to make abortion legal if majority of Americans don't want it. My freedom to marry who I wish doesn't effect anyone else. My freedom to do with my body doesn't effect anyone else. My freedom to keep what I earn does not effect anyone else.

Your post really couldn't get more moronic than this...

The two primary languages in Hong Kong are English and Cantonese, idiot... As long as you still have access to the internet, you could have at least looked up this basic fact. Or at least take the time to look up what the outside world looks like from the bubble you are appearing storing yourself in.

Hong Kong... The great cesspool.

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No, but thank you for showing me what I've been missing out on regarding your American Education system.

Sure. I have no problem with rushing into another Iraqi War.

Everything is easy when you don't have to do much thinking. I try not to do much thinking when I give myself days off. It's really great.

Hardly. The state comes in 23rd in the federal funding queue. If you really 'needed' federal funds, Florida would be in the top 10. Stop making things up.

Yeah, all the facts...

"There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. As this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them." - General Tommy Franks

You're the one who made it.

I'm sorry, but Hong Kong is 2nd in Math & Science, while we are 3rd in math. America is 30th in Math, 15th in Reading and 21th in Science. While you have shown why one should never drink the tap water in America, you have also just demonstrated to me is that why people should NEVER be educated in an American Public School.

 

lowering that cost to the private sector would be the equivalent to a tax reduction, but with better public goods and services to show for it.

 

Agreed.

 

And this is why I home school. My eighth grade daughter tests at collage level! The public schools in America are crap on average.

 

The video in the OP talks about "America's wealth" as though it is owned by the government and then unfairly distributed. But it is not "America's wealth". It is individual's wealth. Big difference. If it was "America's wealth" then the argument for fairer managed redistribution would have some legitimacy. But since it isn't "America's wealth", but individual's wealth, there is no legitimate claim for a fairer managed redistribution, because there was no managed distribution in the first place.

But America already has managed wealth redistribution. It is commonly known as the death tax. From my essay, #9 Liberals Are the Compassionate Ones – Really?:

Here is the Gini link: The Shocking Trend In U.S. Individual Income Inequality, 1994-2010 As was noted in the video that MissJonelyn posted, it is important differentiate between family wealth and individual wealth, especially in the upper brackets, because it is much more likely that only one person in the family is the breadwinner.

 

And BBB, consumer groups, environmental groups, etc.

 

Nothing you're saying has much credible substance, and much of it is disingenuous. I'm finding your posts boring and out of touch with reality. I could keep responding, but I don't feel your content warrants it. Ramble on if you feel the need. giggle: At least you're not an Islamapologist (I hope).

As for American public schools, I was a Geography teacher at 3 colleges of the City University of New York. I wonder if you could correctly define Geography. Caution: most dictionaries DO NOT define it correctly.

 

In fact, you are the one who provides little or no substance in your posts.

Now this is just disingenuous. Weren't you the one who was criticizing her for not using the dictionary definition of "conservative"?

 

And you my friend prove my case for poor American education and the inability to be taught critical thinking, unlike me, but I'm Scottish and one of the chosen few!!

Regards and commiseration's to your family! They have my sympathy.

Highlander

 

So let me get this straight. You go from Hong Kong being a cesspool, to your definition of conservatism being the only true definition, to 70% top marginal taxation being the true taxation of America. These are all based on your own opinions. Nothing you have said is of any substance, nor based on reality.

So let me guess, your true definition of Geography is the only true definition. All of your ilk is just based on pure anecdotal garbage. I wish that I can create non-existent aspects of my life simply by not being coherent, nor credible.

 

The inability to recognise the two large Australian flags in my message doesn't help your case.

 

So sorry, I thought it was only American education system that could be blames for the lack of basic empathy and humanity, obviously I'm wrong! Perhaps its an ID 10 t!

I'll take it on the chin!

Highlander

 

I've only seen one other person who thinks this other than me, but I think that a GIANT part of the reason for income equality is that advertising is allowed to go to 'extremes' to which it shouldn't be allowed. Free speech should only be free when it doesn't stand a good chance of harming others.

The rich could make their money out the country, but let's ignore that part of their money, and I ask, "How do the rich get richer?"- by getting the poor (or mostly the middle class) to buy from them. The actual poor only has disposable income when the govt gives them welfare or food stamps. Also, by charging too much for certain necessities.

Why do the poor (mids) buy from them? 2 reasons:
1- They actually need some things.
2- They buy MUCH that they don't need because they are exposed to it in a way that makes them think they want or need it. That is because of advertising which is overly persuasive either in content or frequency of impingement upon the listener's thought.

As to charging too much, I'm thinking food, shelter, some medicine and electricity/gas should have profit limits put on them.

This entire thing could be solved with proper legislation. The politicians and not the rich are at fault. Honest politicians would not only ignore bribes (lobbying, etc.) by the rich, they would vote to outlaw these "persuasions".

 

1. Of course the 35% tax IS imposed on ME. And everyone in America for that matter. It is imposed as a tax which is too low to fund all the things we need, and so therefore we are shortchanged in services we don't get because of that UNDERfunding. THAT'S how it's tyrannical. Surprising you couldn't figure that out. Your freedom to keep too much of what you receive (notice I didn't say "earn") affects EVERYONE ELSE. And oh yeah >> This is probably the dumbest thing you've ever said.

2. Any more languages than American English is too many for me. I could think of faster ways of dying than going around listening to people chattering in Chinese all day long. Ugh !

3. Florida receives 60 Billion just in Medicaid funding alone. Shows how much YOU know.

 

Would you care to show evidence of where I have provided little or no substance in my posts ? Maybe I can add some more now.

I wasn't asking her for a dictionary definition. i was asking her for HER definition. In fact, I cautioned her to avoid the dictionary, didn't you notice ?

 

FALSE! The 70%+ top bracket rate is the normal rate (I didn't say "true taxation", you said that) based on the FACT that that has been the tax in America for MOST of the past 95 years. And if you take away the ludicrous post-Reagan period, the % of years is even far higher. Get it ? Even with only a Hong Kong education, you ought to be able to comprehend this. And oh yeah, you want "substance" right ? OK. Here's some of that for you. >>> http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/history-of-federal-individual-1.html

I'll take that as an admission that you have no clue what the word Geography means.

 

You do understand there is a HUGE difference between stated tax rates and effective rates dont you? When top marginal rates were 70% plus, loopholes and deductions were FAR greater. Effective rates have changed very little.

 

Do you make more than $380,000 a year? Does everyone in the country make more than $380,000? If your answer is no, then a 35% tax is not being imposed on your income. Stop being stupid.

You federal outlays are underfunded because you are spending too much. If you are worried about being short charged then you should cut funding. If you don't have enough money, stop starting $2 Trillion dollar wars. Stop bailing out banks. Stop running unfunded liabilities with Social Security. Stop crowding out private investment with government boondoggles like Solyindra.

Contrary to your ignorant ramblings, income is not distributed. People do not receive their money. They've earned it. What makes you think you have the right to someone else's money?

If you can post something without sounding completely moronic, that would be considered a record for you.

We can't all have the luxury of having lower IQ's which prevents us from being bilingual.

No it doesn't. You clearly just made that up.

 

On the top of the scale of income inequality Mexico leads, the US is second, and Turkey is in third. What's to discuss other than the fact that the US has the highest per capita income in the world.

The 99% are being hosed!

 

Your source starts from 1913. The past 95 years would start your source at 1918, two full years since the Federal Income Tax was levied. 1913 - 2013 is a full century, not 95 years. Your own source just shows that from the past 100 years, only 40 of those years had taxation above 70% (41 years if you count 1981). That is not considered 'the most'. Not even 'majority' of the last century, but thanks for demonstrating those American math skills. Way to secure that 30th place ranking.

Also, why would you strip away the post Reagan years if we are comparing every year since 1913? Why don't I take your lunacy even further and compare all the years from the pre-Central Banking period, when the United States had a Federal Income Tax of 0% (except in wartime).

So no, 70% is not the normal taxation or whatever you want to call it. You can't even be factually correct without sounding totally clueless.

Who cares? All you are doing is going from one meaningless tangent to another hoping to grasp some form of relevancy.

 

Hard to prove a negative, but I can show how you have just blown off my substantive posts to you with no substantive responses from you.

In post #16 of your Republicans Are NOT Conservatives thread I explained why marginal tax rates from different eras cannot be directly compared. You ignored this as if it did not exist and blew me off with an accusation of being a Reaganist. Obviously, my explanation blows your whole theory of 70+% tax rates being optimum or whatever.

In post #26 of Republicans Are NOT Conservatives I provided you a link to an OECD study that found that the U.S. has the most progressive tax system of all OECD countries, disproving your nonsense about Americans being under taxed. Again, you just blew it off as if I had not even posted it.

In post #330 of this thread I posted a link to a study that illustrates that the poor in America have risen more in wealth in proportion to the rich since the 1920s. I also provided a link to a Gini Coefficient of individual earners that confirms the wealth study. Again, you just blew these off.

You simply rant. You provide no evidence of substance. The only thing I have seen from you is that historical chart of marginal tax rates, which I have already explained tells you exactly nothing, because rates from different periods cannot be directly compared.

You make a big deal out of something that you feel everybody else should follow, and then you don't follow it yourself. That's what I see.

 

It's called the golden rule. He who has the gold sets the rules. I say figure out his rules so you can take his gold, not by stealing in but through sound business practices.

If you don't like where you are it's up to you to change it.

 

I will take the opportunity to grasp at irrelevancy here. To the mathematically inclined, there may very well be no such thing as a meaningless tangent. In fact, a portion of calculus is devoted to finding them as a function of some independent variable(s). That's all. Have a nice day. Please drive through.

 

I've had this said to me about 300,000 times over the past 3 years.

What I understand is that we need to restore the normal taxation AND close every loophole, escape hatch etc. in sight, and keep closing them (that's what "our" legislators get paid for). What they paid or didn't pay decades ago, means NOTHING to me whatsoever. I only look at what needs to be done NOW.

 

It is an imposition on MW and everyone in lost govt services. Second time I'm explaining that to you. You're not being stupid. You're being deceitful (along with ridiculous).

I'm quite aware of what spending is good and what is bad. Your assessment looks like it needs some work.

I don't define millions of dollars a year pocketed by some greed freak as "someone else's money". If I worked in his company and busted my butt all day (no matter what the job was), while he was out on the Gulf of Mexico fishing for sailfish and tuna, I'd say those millions belong to ME and the other workers. The only reason he is pocketing that money is because he and other conniving, thieving greed freaks have manipulated the laws to make it be that way. Taxation is the cure.

While trying to cope with my completely different perspective than yours (which you are obviously troubled by), it would be better if you learned these new (to you) ideas and adjusted to them, rather than just falling apart and throwing tantrums. The moderators might like it better too.

We can't all have the higher IQ's which keeps us monolingual in keeping with how we should be while part of a nation.

NATION - a stable, historically developed community of people, with a territory, economic life, distinctive culture and language in common

PS - I'm 50% Central American (Belize), and I am bilingual in English and Spanish.

No, I just received what apparently is a mistaken TV news report. It looks like the grant is $ 1 Billion (still a lot of money). Last spring the federal Medicaid grant was closer to $2 Billion. All over the country, Republican governors, like Rick Scott in Florida, are accepting the Medicaid grants. Good for them. Although, they should be trying to get rid of illegal aliens, and stop the in-migration of immigrants, to reduce the Medicaid cost also.

http://www.newsmax.com/Ruddy/Scott-Medicaid-Florida-Obamacare/2013/02/22/id/491628

http://www2.tbo.com/news/breaking-n...caid-funding-vote-will-help-florida-ar-70189/