The mother doesn't have a right to kill anyone but she does have a right to an abortion. It's legal despite what your mommy thought.
Nope, but it still makes it legal.... This is what you don't get...YOUR morals, or your Mom's morals, do NOT make laws.
You told me that my morals do not make laws. Which which means the main alternative is that you think yours do.
<<< PERSONAL ATTACK >>> Not everything is black and white...there are many alternatives for those who chose to THINK. You <<< TROLLING >>> wrong.
Laws are made to reflect the ideas and thinking of the majority, hence why slavery, stoning of adulterers were abolished. If attitudes and ideas had not changed then those are just two that would still be legal. Many will refute that but that is because they have lived all or most of their lives where those items have been immoral, go back to ancient times and a Roman or a Christian would have had no moral problems with either. Morals are fluid, they change as people's thinking changes and no one persons morals are any better than another.
So in other words nothing right or wrong and everything can be done? That is the as close as I can remember the words of a child who was being told exactly what you are saying now. That gives no rights to anyone and allows (and always has) the worst of atrocities.
right and wrong are subjective, just as morals are. Do you think arranged marriages are morally wrong, you probably do .. however in another culture in another place to not have them would be considered morally wrong. You consider your moral viewpoint to be correct simply because of the geography of your birth place, the society you grew up in and the influence that society had on your thought process, and please show me where I say nothing is right or wrong and everything can be done .. I don't, I said our laws are based around what the majority consider to be right .. hence why things like slavery were abolished.
Then if the majority decide something is right then it happens. Thus anything can be done, and minorities lose according to those majorities whims. Rights no longer become important to anyone ect. In other words, nothing matters only the whims of a majority, and this can be swayed to the whims of dictators and worse. This view of the world, and its like, are the very reason something as sickening as killing an unborn infant is even discussed. I believe in the inalienable rights of all men, one of these being life, and I would never tolerate those rights to be infringed by the will of a mob.
Yes, death is a natural process. It is not a life saving process as is a natural abortion. God also did not provide a natural processe to achieve death. A knife is a man made utensil, not provided by god. Murder is generally a choice with consequences. No woman is empowered by anyone to do what she wants to her children. That is a specious argument and not at all relevant. The fact remains, that natural abortion is a common female defence mechanism. The ability is provided by (as you believe) God or nature or evolution (as I believe). If your God has provided this ability for a female's body to reject an embryo, he has obviously planned for AND enabled the practice of abortion. And yet, pro lifers totally ignore this biological fact in claiming to know the word of god in this matter. Typical hypocrites.
Every time you vote you are trying to elect a government by the majority, you vote for the people who are best aligned with your own thinking, if enough people do it you have a government elected by the majority to follow the ideals of the majority and in essence you are correct anything can be done. Your rights are only those accorded to you by the majority via the government elected by that majority which, as you say, can certainly be swayed by dictators .. Hitler is a prime example, he promised and delivered what the majority of German people wanted ie growing economy, he then used that to bring to fruition the darker side of his rule .. it is happening now! China is one country where the "whims" of the leaders are made law, and yet the majority of the population fully support their leaders. The power of the individual is nothing compared to the power of the many eg. Jesus made very little difference in the time line he lived, yet he was the founder of what is now one of the largest religions in the world .. why .. because he said things and gave people something to believe in .. they went from an insignificant minority to a majority, but only when it was adopted by the Roman Empire using their resources, power and influence throughout the Empire, had the Roman empire not adopted Christianity it would probably never reached the heights it did.
An embryo is not a living human being. It is a living pre-cursor of a human being. The moment it is no longer physically attached to and completely dependent on its mother and her womb, it becomes a human being. With its very first breath of air, it becomes a human being. Until that very moment, it is nothing more than a biological compatible parasite with human potential.
Actually I vote in a republic not a democratic mob. I vote for people who share the same ideals, but whether or not this is true I can't vote to infringe someones inalienable rights. I have these rights which are a constant. They aren't something made up by man and they cannot be changed by man. Yes they can be ignored or infringed but not changed. I do not wish for nor do I believe in, the ability for peoples whims to infringe or take away rights. That is why I do not support abortion. Its not a right, its a convenience, and the right to life is an actual God given right, hence why I defend it. I won't let a majority turn me into a helpless sheep, while they are wolves, or wolves in sheep's clothing. The right to life is important just as all rights. Ignoring them leads to chaos.
Then why isn't an infant merely a "living precursor of a human being"? Is it self-aware? And if not, how is it a human being?
I can assure you if enough people backed a party running on a ban guns ticket and they got elected your constitution would be changed to suit the majority. Of course your rights were made up by man, who else made them up? It is only a convenience in your opinion, others see it as a right . .you will always state that they are wrong, as they will state you are wrong. How do you know that the right to life is god given, is it because the bible tells you, the bible that was written by man based upon the culture of that time . .why should your bible have any more credence than the Qu'ran, mein kampf, or the origins of the species, all were written by humans. Your opinion of right and wrong is purely based around the cultural influences of your life .. had you been born into a remote tribal culture your definition of right and wrong would be far, far different from what it is now. this is why in my opinion morals should have no place in making laws.
In fact a baby isn't fully self aware until it is about 4-5 years old .. but being self aware really isn't anything to do with abortion, there are nine other animals who are self aware yet we do not afford them the same rights as a born human being.
The DNA says precisely that. The genetics enables the growth and development of a zygote to embryo to birth within the body of host and then to make a seamless transition to air breathing independent being. It is yet another manifestation of the biochemical gods.
I clearly remember possessing sentience just before I was three years old. Some people can remember even earlier than that.
