What would you do as a visitor in Hell?

God didn't do it.

 

Gott mit uns.

 

And then:

http://www.etika.com/d49ns/49ns1d.htm
Trotzdem war er, so Kernmayr, kein Atheist geworden und hatte sich seinen Gottesglauben bewahrt. Dies unterstreicht er mit Zitaten aus der von Henry Picker herausgegebenen Sammlung „Hitlers Tischgespräche“ (Stuttgart 1965):

„In seinem Kopf, beherrscht von Gedanken, die so stark auf die Naturwissenschaft ausgerichtet waren, scheint für religiöse Überzeugungen kein Platz zu sein, und da Hitler sich so deutlich von den Kirchen abwandte, ja sie offen bekämpfte, liegt der Schluß nahe, dass er geradezu irreligiös gewesen sei. Dies wäre jedoch ein Fehlschluß. Prof. Dr. v. Hasselbach bezeichnet ihn als einen ,religiösen oder wenigstens nach religiöser Klarheit ringenden Menschen´.

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Von Hitler selbst stammen folgende Sätze, die er am 27. Juni 1937 in Würzburg sprach:

„Wir deutsche Nationalsozialisten glauben auf dieser Erde außer an unseren Herrgott im Himmel zunächst an unser deutsches Volk. Wir handeln gehorsam dem Willen des Allmächtigen. So schwach der einzelne Mensch in seinem ganzen Wesen und Handeln am Ende doch ist gegenüber der allmächtigen Vorsehung und ihrem willen, so unermesslich stark wird er in dem Augenblick, in dem er im Sinne der Vorsehung handelt! Dann strömt auf ihn jene Kraft hernieder, die alle großen Erscheinungen der Welt ausgezeichnet hat. Und wenn ich auf die fünf Jahre, die hinter uns liegen, zurückblicke, dann darf ich doch sagen, das ist nicht Menschenwerk allein gewesen. Wenn uns nicht die Vorsehung geleitet hätte, würde ich diese schwindelnden Wege oft nicht gefunden haben... So sind wir Nationalsozialisten auch im tiefsten Herzen gläubig.“ (zit. von Friedrich Heer: Der Glaube des Adolf Hitler, Esslingen 1968, S. 245)

My translation:

In spite of this, [Hitler] had, according to Kernmayr, not become an atheist and valued his belief in God. He underscores this with quotations from the compendium of "Hitler's Table Talks" published by Henry Picker (Stuttgart 1965):

"There appeared to be no room in his head, dominated by thoughts that were strongly focused on science, for religious convictions, and, because Hitler had turned away so explicitly from the churches, and even fought them openly, it is tempting to conclude that he was virtually irreligious. This would be a false conclusion, however. Prof. von Hasselbach describes him as a 'person who is religious or at least struggling for religious clarity.'

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The following text originated from Hitler himself, which he spoke on June 27th, 1937 in Würzburg:

"We German National Socialists believe on Earth in, in addition to our Lord God in Heaven, first in our German people. We are obedient to the will of the Almighty. As weak as the individual human being is in the end in all of his being and acts compared to the almighty providence and its will, so immeasurably strong he becomes in the moment he acts according to providence! Then a power flows down upon him that has bestowed upon him all of the great epiphanies of the world. And if I look back on the five years behind us, I can still say, that is not the work of human beings alone. If providence had not guided us, I would not have found these vertiginous ways... Thus we National Socialists are believers in our heart of hearts." (quoted from Friedrich Heer: Der Glaube des Adolf Hitler [The Faith of Adolf Hitler], Esslingen 1968, P. 245)

 

Like I said, I knew this would be the response.

God allowed it. It's on Him.

 

Make up your mind. You said:

Now you contradict your own words. Funny you should mention 'logic' when you can't even agree with yourself about what you think.

 

Well if what the Bible says is true about the horrible things done to people in hell;

Matthew 13:50 “furnace of fire…weeping and gnashing of teeth”
Mark 9:48 “where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched”
Revelation 14:10 “he will be tormented with fire and brimstone”
Revelation 14:11 “the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever and they have no rest day and night”
Revelation 20:14 “This is the second death, the lake of fire”
Revelation 20:15 “If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire”

...I would probably be overwhelmed with the desire to save the poor souls who did absolutely nothing wrong to be there, people who were good in life but just happened to follow a different religion, or people who had no religious belief purely for the fact that there was no evidence at the time and so on.

Even if my efforts were in vain I would try and I would ask God why he is so evil to do such a thing to the children he is supposed to love.

And if he responds with the same utter bullcrap that so many theists respond with, "Well they chose it for themselves." I would ask why he would think that by not choosing him that automatically meant they chose to be tortured for all eternity. Just because one chooses not to follow the so-called 'light of God' certainly does not mean that instead they would chose to be tortured forever. I don't know why anyone would think that.

 

gwen. your eyes are shut so tight you can't even understand what i've written. God is the judge. Christ is your 'attorney'. I can't help you other than that. Just continue on your way. I'm sure you know best.

 

You really should just read the book of Job.

 

May I ask why?

 

Perhaps she was thinking of the Catholics in how they believe that Jesus is the same person as God not to mention the Holy Ghost as well. If you are not Catholic then what you said makes more sense.

 

Absolutely. It will show you the random maliciousness of God even when there is no one more righteous than you. How capriciously the God of Abraham will allow your torture and the murder of your loved ones just to prove a point to an underling.

A great read.

 

Or perhaps you should be more careful and precise about what you write so a post one page after another doesn't contradict itself.

 

absolutely right. You guys are on the right path. Go for it.

 

Yeah I started reading it and so far that's exactly what I have gotten out of it. A selfish deity trying to prove just how 'faithful' his followers are to Satan...it's like, sooo God can be tempted by the devil to do evil? Wow. I guess even God isn't immune to doing evil and giving in to temptation.

 

Since you provide no argument, we can assume you are stymied and have no answers.
And that is correct.

 

I would engage in a coup d-etat.
"Better to reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven"

 

Hell is the place everyone would gladly send most people to if they could.

Hell is the place everyone wants to see but no one wants to stay in.

 

Well, I would point out to all the assembled atheists how wrong they were, pray to Jesus for absolution of my sins, and then waive goodbye to all the atheists who didn't think hell was real and that it was just a made up insult to them!

I wonder, do atheists consider these questions before they ask them?

 

Yes, it appears that God it totally different from what we would expect logically. Pretty scary. But what can we do ... I guess this is like the credit crunch, we cant do anything about it, only adjust our reactions. HAHA

 

Yes. Very interesting, and this fact says volumes about where we belong.

 

When you resist an evil system you can become the one that is send to hell, you are the hated (because the persons in hierarchy have that antagonistic attitude, think you are bad/wrong, they can't see they are part of an evil system) So if you can visit hell before you end up there you should create an escape route to heaven (because you don't deserve hell)

 

the dead do not converse with us. It says so in the Bible. The dead know nothing. NOT that they are ignorant but rather they do not watch what we are doing.

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too much dungeons and dragons.

 

One avoids the eternal torment by repenting of one's sins (never doing them again) and acknowledging God's son as one's redeemer. It is so easy but so hard for arrogant stiff necked man to do.

 

Reptutation comment:

I spoke with him and he answered - this situation was completly normal for me. He was like an angel always in my near if I asked him. I don't see anything why you should be concerned - ¿on what reason?. Love may be a bridge between life and death. We are on our own only dust but we are alive - because god loves life, god is life. When my mother died I never spoke with her although I would say I can feel her from time to time. But this is more a kind of prayer from me for her. That's also okay. I'm not worried - god makes everything the right way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjbCp7w5Oww

 

Guy lived all his life telling people to go to hell. So when he died he went there. The Devil met him and said OK I have three doors here. He opens door number one and everyone is standing on their head in poop. He opens door number two and everyone is up to their necks in poop. At door number three he sees people sitting on benches drinking tea up to their knees in poop. So the devil ask the man which door would like? Of course he says three. A couple hours later the old devil comes back throws open the door and shouts "OK everybody coffee breaks over back on your head!"

Thats Hell ain't it!