What would you do as a visitor in Hell?

A big part of the question is, can we avoid torment and being tortured, with a 100 % certainty at all times? Can we absolutely ensure that we can avoid being tortured? If not, then we are in for the most horrible destruction, illustrated in the book of Job, and we all are sitting ducks to enter it, then to enter hell forever. Is it possible that the very purpose that we and everything else is created for is to be a sitting duck and to enter torture when time comes?

 

I think the answer is yes they are in torment, when dead they face the torture they inflict, and it matters because their existence is not finished when they are dead, for that further dis-assembly technology would need to exist. (Come to think of it, this technology may very well be the torment itself that we are talking about.)

 

But, as soon as you actually do need to do something, you will torture others and then you will receive the torment for it. Nobody has worked around this one yet, to my knowledge.

 

This is extremely interesting. There would be scores of very (self)esteemed experts that would call this impossible, and would explain this away with endless scientific arguments. I wanted to talk to a dead relative too, although I didn't have much to say, it went only as far as feeling something as if it had been her juorney, I don't even know if that was only all in my head.

 

Lazarus was dead for 4 days. He popped out of his grave and went home. Jesus was dead for 3 days and partied with his buddies for 40 days. Countless zombies popped out of their graves and went visiting when Jesus was crucified. Paul had a conversation with Jesus after Jesus had died.

 

Short answers to some of the questions posited:

The fires of hell are in reality but a last mercy for they distract you from far worse things, largely self inflicted things. Hell is a miserable place for it is absent hope, love, or even a pretense at charity. And the one question no one asks is "Why me?" Because you always get an answer. It is played back in your own mind stripped of all self justification, all illusion. Oh and that's the other thing hell lacks, illusion. There is no camouflage for your actions for yourself or for anyone else. By the way the Devil and his minions don't run hell - no one really does - they are merely it's chief inmates. Dante got it wrong.
The dominant emotion in hell isn't fear, it's much to late for that, it is equal parts ennui and apathy fueled largely by self loathing.

Hell is a place of ultimate Justice, heaven of ultimate mercy. You don't go to heaven because of anything you have done will do or are doing you go to heaven because God wrote your name in the Book of Life before he ever said, "Let there be light." And then paid your debt to justice with his own blood. Incidently no claims that Jesus spent three days lingering in his own corpse. As all three creeds put it he descended into hell.

By the way there is one oddity shared by both heaven and hell, time does not appear to function in either place as it does in the here and now. You see time essentially measures entropy. Entropy does not seem to operate in either heaven or hell. Those in hell wish it did while those in heaven are glad that it does not.

 

Why wouldn't the torment of people, even if the result of their own choices, be a concern to a devoted Christian?
Peace, love, joy, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control. These are the hallmarks of a person infused with the Holy Spirit, according to Paul.
Where is your compassion?

 

With this many mistakes, and the constant misuse of the comma, it's hard to take you very seriously.

 

You need to re-read Job. Job was the most righteous man on earth, according to the story. He is tortured in a wager God makes with an underling. Job never loses faith, but questions God for why he is being abused. God admonishes him for even asking the question. He basically tells Job that He is the boss and Job has no right to question anything He does.
Or maybe you do get it. Job, deserving no such treatment, was created to be tortured. Was that your point?

 

I can do nothing for those people. I can tell them where they're going but how would you react? So eventually, christians shut up about it. Anyway, christians don't convert people, God does that and it depends on you. People in hell realize why they are there and at that point, they recognize the justice. God is love but God is also justice. Mercy is what he'll give you if you accept Christ as your attorney.

 

and for Job's faithfulness, He is given more mercy and more blessings.

 

That doesn't begin to address your personal behavior toward these people. Your lack of compassion is total, and you cast away hurting people like they are so much refuse. I am not discussing conversion, or what God does or doesn't do with these people. I am talking about how you have found a convenient excuse to ignore the people that were the focus of Jesus' ministry. The hurting, the downtrodden, the oppressed, the meek. You clearly hate and resent them.
These people are your Christian burden, your responsibility, regardless if they get saved or not.
You need to seek a more beautiful God.

 

No good accepting God as an attorney if a person claims to have God as an attorney and lives a selfish life, bashing the poor, bashing people who are doing things tough. That's what I see a lot of Christians do on this forum. These Christians look more like they're revering the devil than God.

All those Christians against universal health care will never see the pearly gates. One of the most disgusting traits of Christians on this forum that I have seen. God is probably the number one advocate of universal health care... and look at the mealy mouthed Christians on this forum begrudging their fellow man and woman.

Going to church and claiming to have God as an attorney means nothing if the person doing all that behaves like a PIG. I see many PIGS on this forum claiming to be Christians. Means nothing. The only thing that matters is having a good character, doing good on this earth, helping each other, GIVING in service and kindness. 20 years of church and yapping we're one with God means nothing if the person yapping has a bad character. And bashes the down and out people on this earth.

 

I do not bash the down at Out I bash the government that fattens of of their misery as a pig at a trough

 

i don't ignore those people. You were talking about the dead. Don't change the focus when you are left without response on one or the other. I love your compassion though. Have you accepted Christ and what are you doing for these poor people?

 

As you can see by this progression, I was not talking about the dead, and neither were you.
I notice you make no defense of your lack of compassion, but rather redirect the argument at me with no evidence that I don't have compassion for these people, which you have clearly demonstrated.
I am not changing the focus in any way.
Who needs a Christ to be a person who would reject hurting people? A god is completely unnecessary to be a selfish, parochial fiend.
Selfless love and sacrifice can require one, though.

 

God is not an attorney. God is the Judge. Other than that i can't help you and can get no logic or thought out of your post. You don't even understand the first thing. i'm sorry for you.

 

Hmmm - I'm not sure about what this story likes to tell us. For me it's not a very important story. On the other side: Why not? Jesus could had recreated Lazarus or Lazaraus was not in a way dead we are today also would be able to call 'dead'.

Good to know that my 10 days party was not the longest party. Okay - but I was not dead before.

http://youtu.be/b5eKLigpxqU

¿What? ¿Zombies? ¿visiting? ¿Jesus? ¿crucified? ... ????? ¿¿¿¿¿¿¿ .....

Jesus lives - that's not easy comparable because Jesus is human being and god - creation and creator.

http://youtu.be/UaLdiWwIN0A

 

If someone tortured you, killed your wife and children, and then gave you a new one, would you consider the two of you even? Would you just blow off the memory of your former wife and children and thank the torturer/murderer? Don't use the out that God didn't kill them. It was all with His blessing.

It's a very sick story if you take it literally.

 

He's referring to those that arose from their graves and went into town at Jesus' death. Nothing is mentioned about what happened to them or how long they stayed.

 

And we for you. You are the one that suggested we accept Jesus as our "attorney". We are just quoting you.

 

Yes, exactly. I just realized when I started to write that post, that it is VERY likely that everything is created for one purpose, and that is to be tortured.

I would even go further, and propose, that time exists for the purpose of making this torture possible. Without time everything is coincidental, so the healthy state of a creature at the start point of the torture coincides with the last moment of the existence of the creature at the end point of the torture.

What is even more interesting, Jesus Himself went through a torture process. Why did He do this? Was that to free all creatures from torture? Maybe, his 3-day trip across Hell is supposed to prove this.

So, what is Jesus's suggestion that He would bring back for us from His trip? How does this sound. Do not cause the suffering of any creature, so don't feed/shelter yourself. As a result, the hunger/cold will kill you, which is a torture too. But, and here is where the gates of Hell open, you are not likely to stand that hunger/cold and then you will torture others to satisfy yourself (and maybe your greed too). This returns to you as your torment.

So, is it logical then, that what you see as a visitor in Hell, is you yourself implementing your own worst fears over yourself? And, as per another post in this thread, this may not even be the worst thing that you see.

Is it correct to derive, that this all leads to the fact that the best thing for all of God's creatures is to eliminate themselves out of existence in as short of a time as they can? This should minimize the amount of torture and corresponding torment, by minimizing the stages to go through.

 

Did i suggest you do that? I don't remember now but really i think you should just go along as you are now. Don't worry about it.

 

There you go. One page ago.

Your credibility is gone.

Seeya.

 

I would bask in the glory of God the infallible beings failure.