How can any logical person be an atheist?

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  1. gabriel1

    gabriel1 New Member

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    arrogant , holier than thou attitudes will drive more and more folks away from christianity
     
  2. Heretic

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    No offense, but this shows your completely flawed approach and warped per version of religion. Christianity is not a political power play. And I think most people, Christian and atheist alike, know this.
     
  3. Durandal

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    The one true god is Allah. See how the Muslims are favored. They have great numbers and are starting to take over the western world as well. You'd better look into it - Allah doesn't look kindly upon apostates like yourself.
     
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    How do you know God failed you, and you didn't fail Him? Think about the level of expectation the typical redeemer has...... you stand in front of God, and, what are you begging for? Is your life really that important..........compared to WHAT and WHOSE?????????

    Humility is not a virtue of such redeemers. Many seeking redemption are in fact, committing a sin of VANITY.

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    Into gay, satanic, state-run Obama churches??? That is no loss for Christianity.

    If you pray to MAN, then you will befall the same fate as how many countless nations before, who decided man is above God????????
     
  5. Heretic

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    I must admit the Moslems are devout to God, and loyal, and follow many of His Laws. That is the reason behind their strength and spreading. This is why we must all call upon TRUE Christians to reverse this trend, and quickly!!!
     
  6. gabriel1

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    I don't pray to anyone , god or man. its a total waste of time.

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    don't call me gabby
     
  7. Heretic

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    And you've never even prayed once in your life, is that it???

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    A prayer is evidence that Hope is never lost, even within those farthest from God.
     
  8. Durandal

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    Prayer is also bunk. It has a success rate of about 50%.
     
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    Prayer has a success rate of 100%, to those who understand the power of HOPE.

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    Hope can always over power FEAR, and fear preached by the anti-Christ ians.
     
  10. Durandal

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    The power of self-delusion, you mean. :D
     
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    I told you I was not going to respond to such a long post. It was a really simple response.
     
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    He did bother.
     
  13. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    It would be my belief that vast majority of the followers of the Christian religion are igorant of the fact that the religious leaders are politically controlling them. The "Orthodox" or "Catholic" Church (i.e. the original "church) for over 2000 years has exerted extreme political influence over the actions of government often having almost absolute control over many governments. The creation of the Muslim religion in the 7th Century was a rebellion against the political power of the Catholic Church. Martin Luther's rebellion against the "Catholic" Church was a rebellion against the political power of the "Catholic" Church in the 16th Century that created Protestantism. Mormonism rebelled against the political power of Protestantism in America.

    Religion has always been about political power when we review the history of religion. Yes, each changes the religious dogma slightly, some more than others, but it's always been about a political power struggle. It gives the followers a "holy cause" for rebellion against the prior political power and the followers, being fundamentally ignorant, don't even realize that they are nothing but pawns in a huge power struggle between competing religions for the ultimate control of the world.

    Think about this simple fact.

    The Spaniards did not bring "Christianity" to the Americas. The Spaniards brought "Catholicism" because they wanted to subjugate the native-Americans to their religious beliefs because those religious beliefs gave the Spaniards political power over the native-Americans. In numerous cases the Spaniards resorted to genocide of the native-Americans that did not convert and become Catholics because those native-Americans represented an opposing political force. It was all about political power and control of the people and religion was the tool of that political power.

    I would maintain that most athiests know that religion is about political power but most religious followers are completely unaware of this because they simply choose not to believe it even though it is well documented historically.
     
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    It's based on a false characterisation of how evolution works and doesn't acknowledge how likely certain events become if given enough time. It's a good example of why Hoyle stuck to astronomy rather than biology.
     
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    You sure have a wiahy washy system for Prayer ROOOOLS.

    Gotta have ROOOOLS for prayer.

    """If god answers my prayers it's because he's so darn good, if he doesn't it's because I ( his creation) just ain't good enough for the old fart...."""

    It's ridiculous...pray, and when your prayers aren't answered blame yourself. Pray and if it APPEARS your prayers were answered, thank god.....

    ridiculous.....
     
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    That's fine that you do not want to a post, then say only that. Don't claim to be "right" about a topic you can not be bothered to respond to.
     
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    Like I said, it HAS to be my fault. Typical post-hoc rationalisation when you know nothing about the situation.

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    Like I said, another post-hoc rationalisation where I am of course to blame. Yawn.
     
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    Why?
    Why is religion inherently illogical?

    Religious people often are illogical, and they often support mythical explanations for things they have no logic to explain.
    But it is clearly possible to be logical and rational about the belief that Truth is god for mankind, who must use it to construct an image of the father-of -everything, the force of the Creator of the Universe.
     
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    Muslims have the Achilles heel in that they insist their God is one, not a Trinity, and had no son.

    That Truth is born of the ever unfolding Reality it images in the mind of men belies their Allah who has not the image of Truth, or has no image in the mind of men.
     
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    Even the bible says that God is one, not a trinity.
     
  21. Durandal

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    Many people find God when they look because they're opening their minds far enough that their brains fall out. They open the door to treating their emotional impulses as some external reality, calling their own feelings the workings of God.
     
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    People say this as if it makes sense, mostly because those other beliefs before the day of Moses were the foundation for middle eastern religions, except for Egypt, though.
    A closer look shows this comparison with Mesopotamian myths do not parallel what we read in Genesis.

    Genesis is a rather factually correct cosmic unfolding which flows into a detailed Table of Nations following a genealogy that list the 22 now extinct humans in the ascent of the three racial stocks of Modern man that spread around the whole world.
     
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    Yeah,...

    Those would be the false worshippers who perceive the external Reality as fantasies they construct.

    But then the people who see the Truth and construct a real world image also exist, too.

    They have always been in a small minority because to see Reality is sane.
    Most of the world lives inside a Fantasy World, constructed mentally, culturally, and socially which is insane.
     
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    Actually, I would argue that they perceive their own internal impulses as external reality, as though a spirit - God, angel, demon, the Devil, whatever - is reaching in and influencing them, perhaps speaking to them or just causing them different emotional states.

    Yep, many people live in fantasies. They're content to construct a worldview that suits them and will filter the information they receive accordingly.
     
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    Silly.

    There are only seven kinds of Political Powers and of course, a Theocracy is one.

    The other Political Powers also gain power over the people, and are sourced from one of the other six Social Institutions that found every society.
    Hence, there is not particularly evil or insidious when the Religious Institution gains Political control.

    Fascism is a dictatorial political force which is power based from the Economic Institution, and is hardly anymore pure and noble that the Theocracy or a King who reigns as the head of the Military Institution.

    think these things through and lose the angry bias attitude.
     

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