New Memos Show IRS Targeted Progressive groups as well

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  1. Riot

    Riot New Member

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    Bull!!! Asking people what crimes they have committed and which ones they are planning isn't just a little extra scrutiny. Letting some of these group wait over a year without even a fallow up isn't just a little extra scrutiny. If these people have their paper work in order ( the same as the progressives) then let them have it. If there is any wrong doing they will know when audited. That's how the IRS should work. Occupy is new and weren't treated like the tea party so there goes your Alonamaby. Try again.
     
  2. Riot

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    Lets put in smaller words for the progressive people.
    The IRS gave personal info to the left. This the lefts idea of fair.
     
  3. Ctrl

    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Everyone keeps hurling this at the right as if we invented this scandal...

    They publicly created it. A bad IG report was coming, so they spun this into an anti-tea party spearheading in the announcement.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/05/18/irs-scandal-planted-question/2216747/

    Answer to planted Tea Party cases"
    I believe wagging a dog that hard is animal abuse.

    Did I mention that question was planted?

    She either took the fifth to cover up the crime of targeting, or she took the fifth for creating a fake scandal to distract from other scandals going on.
     
  4. Radio Refugee

    Radio Refugee New Member

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    No chance. Too much collateral damage.
     
  5. akphidelt2007

    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    Occupy was also on the list along with "progressive" to face extra scrutiny. I'm sorry your scandal didn't turn out the way you wanted!
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The IG report was coming. They were going to get their asses handed to them anyway. I believe the administration took the initiative of exaggerating the TP aspect of the targeting. She planted the question. She answered it thusly. If it is coming anyway... and you REALLY need some focus off Benghazi...

    It is a classic wag the dog.

    I really don't expect they thought it being a plant would come out.

    from earlier link.
     
  7. Riot

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    Again avoid the fact that they were told to treat the tea party differently. Your excuse was they were new. Again bull occupy were new and were told to treat them differently them the progressives so your claim is bull. .
     
  8. akphidelt2007

    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    The IRS has to understand what these political parties are doing and what type of political party they are. And since the large amount of Tea Party groups popping up and their extreme political nature it would make sense that the legal team would figure out how they were supposed to handle them and what their workers expectations were.

    The problem you guys have is you don't have any link to this being FOR political reasons rather than just people doing their job whether it was inappropriate or not. Obvious some people within the IRS found their procedures to be inappropriate as they told them twice to stop using lists. But, that's why this scandal is over with... no evidence has come out whatsoever that this is tied to any political conspiracy theory.
     
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    Poor Darrell Issa, can't seem to find his big conspiracy. Another "scandal" flop.
     
  10. Riot

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    This is what y'all do. By saying the tea party had extreme views. Bullsh!t. I would say the lefts views are extremist. Since when does the IRS is the agency that determined who are extremist? Where does it say that the IRS is responsible for saying what is extremist views? Please show me where it says this Is their job. Every group should be treated the same no matter how they vote. If they are doing something wrong they would see that in an audit. Again you liberals want to say guilty till proven innocent. I prefer innocent till proven guilty. Why do you insist that people should be treated differently? Since when is the left for different treatment because of how they vote. I can't wait to see the proof you have that it's the IRS's job to say who's believes are radical.
     
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    What do you expect when Janet Napolitano and military chiefs have now included Bible believing Christians, NRA members, pro-life groups and others like this on the terrorist watch list. Federal government workers fall right in line with this thinking.

    This is the Syndicalism happening in all levels of local, state and federal government entities along with their MSM apologizers that treat anyone outside their "political correct" world much like Jew during Hitler's rise to power. Ostracize, marginalize, impugn conservatives at every level at every chance they get. It is scary stuff.
     
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    The same memo's advise the approval for approving a progressive group remained at the local level but approval for conservative groups had to be reviewed by Washington...and the result of that was rapid approval of 'flagged' leftist groups and an almost total lack of approval for conservative groups...

    Different treatment, which was and is the claim...
     
  13. Riot

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    Two of MSNBC reporters have came out and said their are hypocrites once they were confronted with facts and how they changed their believes because their lord and savior was in support of something. So how in the hell does MSNBC have any credibility? And who are there six viewers? I think that's what their rating are.
     
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    Lol, the comment for progressive groups was...

    "Their progressive activities appear to show that (c)(3) may not be appropriate"

    Medical Marijuana - "Forward cases to Group 7888"

    Occupy Territory Advancement - "Forward cases to Group 7830"


    They handed difference cases to different groups that specialize in such cases. You guys are so desperate for there to be a conspiracy that you can't even attempt to be reasonable and understand that they were just doing their job.

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    They handled Occupy differently also

    Those cases went to Group 7830.

    Looks like your scandal is falling apart. Must be devastating.
     
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    Directly from the memo:

    1. A single Progressive Group should be considered
    2. TEA Party Groups are to be sent to Liz Hofacre is coordinating. These cases are currently being coordinated with the EOT. (Note: the EOT is a Lawyer Group in Washington D.C.)

    That is a HUGE DIFFERENCE... only a dishonest left wing drone would claim otherwise.
     
  16. Riot

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    Show me the list of occupy groups that have been waiting more then a year for their titles. Hell show me where they had to wait six months for even I letter.
     
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    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    That's fine, however the IRS wants to do this that is fair and efficient is fine with me. They obviously frowned upon making a list as those employees were told twice to stop using lists with specific targets on it. I'm arguing more from a perspective of a Government wide political conspiracy against these groups for some kind of political gain. I'm just not seeing. Looks more like low level employees inappropriately classifying political groups to expedite their job. Were mistakes made, of course, were the mistakes made due to some political conspiracy... absolutely not.
     
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    The occupy group is not as large as the Tea Party group. But here is some liberal groups that have been waiting, some for 600+ days for their exemptions, were asked for donors lists, etc.

    Your guys scandal is just falling apart by the day.

    http://www.npr.org/2013/06/19/193383914/liberal-groups-say-they-received-irs-scrutiny-too
     
  19. akphidelt2007

    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    #1 doesn't even make sense. It does not say that anywhere in the document. It actually says that due to their political activities they might not be legit.

    #2 Occupy Group was also sent to another group for further scrutiny

    Your dishonesty has been proven many times on this forum. I have a feeling it will never change. Embarrassing. Sorry your scandal didn't turn out the way you wanted it to.
     
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    There is no political conspiracy, as I have never argued that. However, is this not a clear case of discriminate targeting of civil society in general in the name of intra-organizational expediency? You betcha. Heads should roll for this reason alone, and as more information on these matters is released, I expect that high-level officials will be called out for having known about these efforts, and yes, their heads should roll, too.
     
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    Nothing falling apart at all, we shall wait to see how the law suits turn out, and we shall see who else takes the 5th in front of congress because they have nothing to hide. LOL! I love watching liberals like you piddle on themselves over your excuse making of targeting political speech. From your article, I made the sentence big so that your excuses can be seen as bull(*)(*)(*)(*) as usual from you.

    TARA MALLOY: The methodology that the IRS used was clearly, unjustifiable.

    KEITH: Tara Malloy is a lawyer at the Campaign Legal Center, which is pushing for the IRS to scrutinize 501(c)(4) groups. She says the fact that progressive groups were also screened doesn't excuse the way the agency went about flagging Tea Party groups. But Malloy says the IRS should be examining organizations with political activity.

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    Nothing falling apart at all, we shall wait to see how the law suits turn out, and we shall see who else takes the 5th in front of congress because they have nothing to hide. LOL! I love watching liberals like you piddle on themselves over your excuse making of targeting political speech. From your article, I made the sentence big so that your excuses can be seen as bull(*)(*)(*)(*) as usual from you.

    TARA MALLOY: The methodology that the IRS used was clearly, unjustifiable.

    KEITH: Tara Malloy is a lawyer at the Campaign Legal Center, which is pushing for the IRS to scrutinize 501(c)(4) groups. She says the fact that progressive groups were also screened doesn't excuse the way the agency went about flagging Tea Party groups. But Malloy says the IRS should be examining organizations with political activity.
     
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    And how long were they held up? And was it because of extreme views? I have been looking for occupy groups that had to wait over six months but haven't found any.
     
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    Even McConnell realizes the scandal is done. You will see, you guys are wrong 100% of the time. The people that have been fired or punished will be the only actions taken from this "scandal". They've already found the evidence that the Tea Party was inappropriately targeted with these lists but they've also found that this was not done for any political reasons. Sorry that your scandal is not turning up any witches.

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    I don't really care. They've already admitted Tea Party groups were held up and they already admitted their incompetence in handling the situation. Let me know when you have any new evidence that any of this was done for any type of political positioning.
     
  24. Riot

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    So why the lies?
     
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    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    What lies? I haven't lied about anything.
     

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