Evolution is a Joke part XII

Again, this is an easy misunderstanding. Certain qualities exist as potentialities but not actualities before they are observed; this by no means prevents the existence of objects. See also: the multiple-world hypothesis. As with the Schrödinger's cat example, the cat does not cease to exist simply because we cannot be sure of the state of its waveform; rather, it exists in a hyperposition. I'm going to visit the physics department of my college next week and ask about this, because the whole thing stinks to me of "Quantum Woo".

 

How many threads of 50+ posts does it take to arrive at the conclusion that evolution deniers are a joke?

 

Cupid, there is no such thing as "SUPER-natural". This simply means that we do not understand. Once upon a time Lightening and thunder were thought to be expressions of God's anger.

 

That is because you do not understand that consciousness/mind is Energy. Energy can never be destroyed or created. Like everything else in the Universe it recycles.
Consciousness/mind holds it ego and therefore Ghosts are a reality. They coexist on a different frequency. Everything is Frequency. You understand about Frequency or no? If not you will have to do your own research.

Do not drink to deeply from the fount of knowledge, lest you learn something you do not wish to know.

 

I would say this debate is a lost cause Dave. The problem is attempting to debate the present members that do not understand the most simple nuances of modern cosmology and related issues. No insult to the referenced members, its simple fact. There are a couple of members that can debate the material but they are too busy attempting to insult and belittle the religious members to engage in anything resembling productive debate.



reva

 

Evolution is still a Joke. Evos just cling to their dying Dogma the same as Christians do to their dying Dogma. The Internet has vastly increased communication making possible the exchange of ideas that individuals would never have been exposed to otherwise. Christians with their archaic notions are frequently shocked into realizing what fools they have been. They then have to go thru a stage of adjustment. Very difficult for some of them. Most Evos won't find it so difficult. They already carry the seeds of doubt, tho they vigorously deny it.

 

What planet are you from?

Evolution is painfully obvious, but I guess you've rejected it anyway. Why?

 

Got any research to back up your claims here? Sounds like a load of bunk to me. Ghosts seem to exist only in superstitious and paranoid minds.

Consciousness is made up of a form of energy, sure, since electrical impulses in the brain are involved, and even the matter of the brain, like all other matter, is made up of energy. So what? There is nothing there to suggest that there is anything special about that energy that makes it something that itself creates consciousness; I would compare this claim to one that the electricity in a computer is somehow unique and responsible for making the computer compute.. It doesn't. It's the structure of the computer's components that makes its computing capabilities possible in the first place. It's a great analogue for biological brains in this respect.

Once the arrangement of matter and energy is disrupted, the energy matrix, whether it's the mind of a biological brain or the matrix of a computer, is gone. There is no evidence that it somehow continues without the 'hardware' that made it possible in the first place, and neither is it at all logical to suggest otherwise.

 

If what you describe is true, then are there ghosts of chimp, dolphin, and whale consciousnesses?

 

Evolution is true. Now I admit, I do not understand all the scientific evidence behind it. But no one on this forum does. Unless you are an expert in evolutionary biology and have dedicated your life to studying it, you cannot possibly understand the science behind evolution. So why try to pretend that you do? I see page after page on this thread, written by amateurs who have no idea what the hell they're talking about. It's really a waste of time to read.

All that anyone needs to know is this: modern science has already established evolution to be true. According to all reputable scientists who study this - the evidence for evolution is irrefutable. So let's move on please.

 

You don't need to be an expert on the subject to understand it. You just need a high school AP-level biology course worth of education to get most of it. The concepts are not difficult. Some of the evidence can be tough to understand without the proper foundation, though. Oh Zone is doing a fantastic job of demonstrating why such a foundation is so important to the discussion.

 

Sometimes breaking it down to its simplest form can be equally valuable. Years before Darwin published, a young man, Alfred Wallace wrote in his diary a phrase that should be much more famous than it is. He was a commercial collector and informally trained naturalist. He was on much the same track as Darwin and his correspondence with Darwin is thought to have finally triggered Darwin to get his theory out there.

All through his collecting expeditions he took careful note of what he found where he found it, and what was living in the same environment. And something struck him like a thunderbolt

"Like by like in time and space"

Those are the words he wrote that night in Malaysia. To this day I believe it to be the simplest most elegant description anyone has put the to concept of evolution.

 

Atheists have no sense of humor either...

They hopped

 

BOLD TYPE MINE

big·ot·ed [bígg?tid]
adj prejudiced and intolerant: holding very strong opinions, especially on matters of politics, religion, or ethnicity, and unwilling to accept different views

Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

No I am not calling you a bigot but man even the vil idiot should be heard as long as he or she is civil. Anyone that uses the ignore function just because he or she doesn’t like someone’s ideas are bigots and if they gang up and do what is a favorite tactic of the usual suspects i.e. do a group ignore, they are worse than bigots, they are cowardly bigots.



All that anyone needs to know is this: modern science has already established evolution to be true. According to all reputable scientists who study this - the evidence for evolution is irrefutable. So let's move on please.[/QUOTE]

All science theory is refutable, even evolutionary theory, every item, word, and conclusion. Evolution is utterly falsifiable in all its areas, meaning every published word. So why trust it as the best and only authority on anything? So if science is so great why is it mandatory that it be WRONG.? Isn’t that brutally obvious to even the usual God hating Christian hating USA hating suspects? If the shoe doesn’t fit throw it at Obama next time he is on TV cause he is more of a liar than science.

reva

 

Not being an atheist I wouldn't know

 

The actual problem is that you are not engageing my responses, not that my responses do not answer and show that evolution is a joke and that Atheism is the abode of fools.

 

...man wants to be god to show that God is not...

 

As expected.......

 

OK. Lets try again. This is what I said in #627

God is Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient: he is a everywhere at once, he is as much present in the past as he is in the future or the present, and he is all powerful. He is beyond our perception but we can percieve him through what he made for us to enjoy and gave us dominion over. Jesus in the visable manifestation of the invisable God.

 

[QUOT
E=Never Left;1063059847]OK. Lets try again. This is what I said in #627

God is Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient: he is a everywhere at once, he is as much present in the past as he is in the future or the present, and he is all powerful. He is beyond our perception but we can percieve him through what he made for us to enjoy and gave us dominion over. Jesus in the visable manifestation of the invisable God.[/QUOTE]

And this was my reply. which not only engaged your response but asked you to respond in turn......which you have not.

Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post

Perhaps you could do so now?

 

So uh... No response on anything I posted?

 

just because something is refutable , doesn't mean it isn't the best and only authority. Because everything in life is refutable. For example, you cannot prove, beyond a doubt, that this computer you are using right now, actually exists. You cannot prove that your family exists. You cannot even prove that I exist. And yet, you assume, with a reasonable degree of certainty, that I exist, that your family exists, and that your computer exists. Why is that? Well, because it is logical to do so.

And the same is true for science. Is it imaginable that evolution is wrong? Sure. Maybe an evil demon has implanted all this scientific evidence on earth just to trick us. Sure, that is a possibility. But that's also a possibility for every other theory in science as well. And I'm certainly not going to doubt other scientific theories based on this.

When you start to doubt scientific theories which are well established, you are running on thin ice. Because you are suggesting that you know more about science than the best scientists of this world. And we all know that this is clearly false.

 

No, actually its not. I noticed he didnt address my object to his claim. He makes the assumption that the collapse has to take prior to the creation of that observer. In fact, the Copenhagen interpretation contains no such requirement.

Once again, his (and your claims) hold no water.

 

In truth scientists know very well what "life" is and have made significant developments in producing life in the lab from turning inorganic compounds into organic compounds and in creating strands of RNA that is the foundation for DNA.

Yes, a virus is somewhere between a chemical compound and a life form and scientists understand that and have for decades. A good article in Scientific American addressed the virus from a scientific standpoint almost ten years ago.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=are-viruses-alive-2004

To claim that scientists don't understand a virus and how it fits into evolution is simply untrue.

The fact is that scientists in the lab have been able to produce some of the necessary pieces of the puzzle that produces life and in the near future they will be able to put the pieces of the puzzle together starting with inorganic compounds, similar to the ones we've found in meteorites, and will be able to produce actual life forms that metabolize and reproduce all on their own. It's going to happen and it's not all that far away from happening. They will unquestionably be single cell life forms because that is the first step but later, perhaps 100 years or more into the future, more complex life forms will be produced in the lab. That is, of course, if we can keep the religious whacko's from interfering based upon their beliefs in myth and superstition.