The Nazi Party was not Right-Wing

This the second time you have mentioned Nixon. Why? No one else is discussing Nixon, no one other than you have brought him up. But you continue to. Is anyone debating the value of price fixing, is anyone claiming it is a good policy. No only you. Is it because you simply do not know enough about the rise of the Third Reich to be able to do other than fixate on minor points of no relevance.

 

That is their opinion, and they have him as a centrist more then a right winger. I think we can both agree he is no centrist anything. They go on to say hitler was economically similar to far leftist Stalin. So how they went left to right makes no sense with him. I guess they went to college and received the brain washing. Yet, it displays the scale the way I have explained it to you. They have Clinton to the left economically of hitler. That is crazy. And look forward to arguing that with you. Hitler grew his government by multiples, clinto reduced it slightly. Clinton did not believe in wage and price controls. Hitler did. Hitler did universal single payer and government run medicine. Clinton only dabbled in the idea of single payer. The NAzIs nationalized more industries then Clinton, raised taxes more, created more bureacracies etc... Had a massive German housing program etc... I would love to have that argument with you.

 

How is a wage controlled and assigned work country with price controls "minor points"? What else can money be spent on other then goods and services and taxes which were raised?

Nixon did price controls. They failed miserable just like when carter did them.

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Or because we don't think people belong to the star or the collective or whatever you are calling your hive these days?

 

Come on, he spent pages explaining how big government makes you a left winger but then how his side who supports big government isn't on the left because the right wing apparently has an up and down scale as well to allow them to remain as a right winger.

So basically it's what I thought. The only metric he's using is, "Everyone I agree with is on the right and everyone I disagree with is on the left."

 

the right and the left are subsets of the same process, the ever expanding role of the state. Trying to define the two by separation on a linear axis is fools play.

 

Up and down equals tyranny or liberty. You can be a right wing Ron Paul on economics and still favor weed legalization and be nothing like the leftists in California who agree with him on that one and only issue. Oh, and anti militarism.


Left and right equals economy control. In America. The setting of this thread.

Now lets just say for one minute we use the scale I advocate, they teach in American schools, and the OP was referring to and is the subject of this thread.

Can we Stalin was far to the left and authoritarian? Can we say hitler was far to the left and authoritarian? Can we say you lefties are to the left economically and are anti authoritarian? Are some of you to the left economically and have social authoritarianism in you?

Has anyone read redalgo on this forum? Great posts, is an ideal left wing anti authoritarian. But left wing all the same. Snake stretcher is left wing anti authoritarian. Anti militaristic, anti weed and gay sex, but pro taxing everything away from people and telling them what to do and how much to pay etc...

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That is why I have a graph. Up and down, and left and right.

 

Compared to all the other evidence of what Nazis were, it does not even register in the big scheme of things

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Yeah that pretty much sums the whole debate up

 

only in academics would one try to explain the world on a single axis. A single variable system, how neat.

 

What else? Please name one move to the right economically in the country. Just one. They made moves to authoritarianism. That isn't right wing. That is authoritarianism. Left wingers can be authoritarian and often are. Soviet Union. Commie Cambodia, Castro Cuba, Kim Korea, Mugabe Zimbabwe, get it yet? Where does your left v right spectrum put these people? Go on, let me know. Then let me know what specific things you think made the NAzI party right wing. Lets hear your case.


Can you at least agree the spectrum I am referring to is the same OP is using? I have yet to war any response to this very critical point.

 

didn't you get the memo, one brand of authoritarianism is better than the other. With one, you die with a smile on your face as the bullet enters your head.

 

I am also cynical libertarian leaning. I should read more of your posts squidward. Wisdom and brevity are valuable commodities.

 

Government's job is to hold the monopoly on violence, a heavily armed populace can only work against that

 

history shows that this is a very dangerous position. You are in much greater danger from a government with all of the guns.

 

Again, you lean upon that very thin reed known as an appeal to authority (which, in case you are unaware, is a logical fallacy).

From this, I believe we can safely deduce that you have no actual evidence to back up your assertion--but merely a smug and cavalier reference to "the vast majority of historians"...

 

I have been studying the Third Reich since I was 15. I am 61 now and I have not come across a single non-revisionist historian in all those years who does not recognise fascism as a right-wing ideology. No doubt you can furnish us with details of historians who disagree, and meanwhile you can "safely deduce" whatever you like. Makes no difference to me whatsoever.

 

does oppression feel better if it comes form the left ?

 

I would prefer to advance an objective argument, predicated upon the facts--not to add up the number of historians on each side of the argument.

But perhaps you would prefer to merely go by what others assert--that whole appeal to authority thing...

 

The Nazi Party was virulently anti-communist and anti-Marxist. It persecuted adherents to such leftist ideology, as well as atheists and labor leaders.

It's understandable that many rightist ideologues try to distance themselves from Nazism whilst a few actually still embrace it, but facts are facts, nevertheless.


Hitler's abiding coziness with fascist Mussolini and cordial rapport with fascist Franco underscore their orientation.




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Of course not, but what does this have to with the reality that fascist authoritarianism, as practised by the Nazis, is anything other than a right-wing ideology?
I'm curious, also, why some forum members are evidently so desperate to deny reality and shift 'blame' onto communism. 'Look over there' is a tired tactic.

 

It really scares Conservatives that they share many values, with Adolf Hitler and the Nazis.

 

If the Nazis were magically removed from the extreme right of the spectrum, who would inherit their mantle?

 

Mussolini, Stalin and hitler had a lot more in common economically then what separated them. Stalin killed his fellow commies that didn't agree with his brand of communism. The USSR banned competing leftist groups as well and consolidated power in one leftist party. Lefters kill other Lefters all the time. As Yuri brezmenov quipped about the USSR tht "no one has place so solidly reserved up against the wall then the disillusioned left".

 

It really scared leftists that they support and argue for all the economic reforms and big government that Hitler advocated. Many even want Palestinian take over of Israel to enact the final solution as the Arabs have so often promised to do.

 

Why does it bother Conservatives so much that Hitler agreed with many of their ideas?

They should embrace Hitler, just as Hitler embraced German Conservatives.

 

Both are political ploys to the same end. That similarity is substantially much more weighted than any ideological difference. That they are different is academic folly. Both are encompassed by the trump card ideology, authoritarianism.